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!: editorial :
Howdy. This week Im continuing with the suomiscene theme
with an interview with Grendel. Otherwise it has been
quite, seems like nothing is happening since everybody are
waiting for The Party. Well, looks like Carlsberg is still
probably the best beer in the world. Enjoy the issue!
Melwyn
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!: demonews :
newsREPLAY:
Replay has released shineRETRO! It includes articles,
charts, interviews, partyreports and results from Shine
issues 1-5.
Deadline for Shine 6 is 15.12. You can send articles to
balo@home.se
Whisker had a haircut.
Return of the Stage Nine has been released. This sequel to
the famous musicdisk Stage9 is quite huge compilation almost
300 Mbs if you download the music as MP3 of well known scene
musicians tunes. Check it out at http://www.polpo.org/rts9/
TG organizers had a little setback:
Oooops. We upgraded the server during the weekend and managed
to fry our root-disk in the process. There is however a good
chance that we can salvage the data if we get our hands on an
identical drive. So, if anybody has a Seagate Hawk1 ST11200N
1.05GB SCSI harddrive, please contact us ASAP.
But later on they arranged a design compo for the new web
pages... If youre interested in getting two free tickets
to TG00, take a look the compo rules at http://www.gathering.org
gODS have released GAudio v1.01:
The new version of the audio library manager has some new
features and bugfixes, like improved MOD XM class,
wavemapper support for RAW/WAV/MP3 and NT 4.0
compatibility. You can find GAudio at:
http://www.flipcode.com
http://www.idf.net/gods
http://www.programmersheaven.com
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!: party on! :
starts !! ends !! location !! name !! contact !
Nov 13 - Nov 15, 1999 Hungary Conference 3000 http://hp.pardey.org/c3000
Nov 19 - Nov 21, 1999 Germany Breed 99 http://www.alienpub.com/breed/99
Nov ?? - Nov ??, 1999 Germany Cologne Conf. 99 http://www.academicus.de/cc98
! present time !
Dec 11 - Dec 12, 1999 Slovenia Abort 99 http://www.stjost.org/abort99
Dec 27 - Dec 28, 1999 Romania Dracula 99
Dec 27 - Dec 30, 1999 Denmark The Party 9 http://www.theparty.dk
Jan 21 - Jan 23, 2000 Finland Elevator 3 http://www.elevator.labra.com
Mar 10 - Mar 12, 2000 Holland Ambience 2000 http://www.ambience.nl
Mar 31 - Apr 02, 2000 Finland Rendezvous 01 http://rendezvous.stc.cx
Apr 19 - Apr 23, 2000 Norway The Gathering 1900 http://www.gathering.org
May 06 - May 07, 2000 Russia Parodox 2000 http://eltes.info-don.ru/kirr
May 26 - May 28, 2000 Germany Radwar Party 2000 http://www.radwar.com
May ?? - May ??, 2000 Germany Dialogos 2000 http://www.dialogos.cc/
Jul 14 - Jul 16, 2000 Belgium Inscene 2000 http://www.inscene.org
Aug ?? - Aug ??, 2000 Poland Gravity 2000 neuroup@agravedict.art.pl
Nov ?? - Nov ??, 2000 France Millenium Party 2K
??? ?? - ??? ??, 2000 USA Bang! 2000 http://www.scene.org/bang!
??? ?? - ??? ??, 2000 Australia Coven 2000 http://www.coven2000.org
Dec 13 - Dec 15, 2000 Holland ST News ICCC 2000 http://www.scriba.org/stnicc2000
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!: weekly :
This week! Ive mostly been listening to Squarepusher
thanks, Distance.
! interview !
Session Start: Tue Nov 30 20:39:46 1999
*** Now talking in demojournal
*** Grendel-B has joined demojournal
melw good evening, grendel.
Grendel-B to you too
melw lets begin this interview with the usual questions.
like who you are and what do you do?
Grendel-B im one of the original founding members in byterapers,
still somehow hanging around and well, my activities
arent that big anymore. some organizing and mainly
keeping up the B web pages when i got the time.
generally i still make the decisions in the group,
though these days i tend to be soft and ask others
opinions too. in real life, a computer journalist.
melw it has been quite silent on the b front for some time.
you havent released anything after sexadelic...
Grendel-B nope, its been little bits of this and that going on
but currently there is no serious ongoing plan for demo.
this hopefully will change after we again get our mailing
lists up and running. our previous mailing lists were
very active with ideas and i think we were gearing up
for a good project, but after the mailing lists got
dropped one guy moved-lost access to certain machine
things quieted down drastically.
to say the truth, well we almost released a demo last
spring.
melw at the gathering?
Grendel-B some crap things happened though and we didnt get it out.
uh, if im not wrong things screwed up twice. first demo
was about to be released in TP and it would have been
finished, then the designers machine crashed and he
could not finish the demo. actually i dont think many of
us have even seen that particular demo, the damn guy
refuses to show it to us :
it was again attempted for TG, no luck, and the 2nd !
TG demo that was/is my particular pet project was
dropped as the other designer got into really bad booze
addiction + crashed his machine, too. dung.
bad booze addictionway worse than average Byteraper
booze consumption. that is a lot.
melw haha. ok, you were one of the founding members of b.
this happened in 1986, right?
Grendel-B so it was.
melw how was scene back then? or was there any kind of scene
at all?
Grendel-B not really. the -finnish- scene started to take form
during 87. there were scattered small groups, teams or
dudes here and there, and during the middle/late 86 they
started to find each other then during 87 they started to
have more communication, swapping, even actively starting
to produce intros and demos.
i would claim, from my memory, that the real scene
started to exist in middle 87, things were very nicely
in late 87 and the jezebels/fig party in dec 1987 gave
one mighty boost
the first party in finland, everyone seeing each other for
the first time, was big fun, many friendships made that
last even today. you can still see some of them visiting
suomiscene :
melw like you. :
Grendel-B in 88 scene existed then in the way we today see, just
still growing. lots of youthful anger, big words, flame
wars, competition and racing to be the best. funny to
think how it was so normal then -
melw sounds fun. theres no real wars anymore between groups. :
Grendel-B federations against whatever group that someone was angry
with lots of competition etc but always real fun to meet
and talk crap with them : except the one time Conan/Stack
came to me threatening me you have talked crap about Stack
me nononoo what nnonooo and later managed to find out he
had slightly misunderstood something zados had said. Conan
was, err, just like you might imagine from the name :
melw :
in a way demoscene has been a lot more serious during all these
years. like nobody releases demos anymore just for fun etc.
Grendel-B aaaa quite true. big parties do that. money to be made.
why release demo youve worked hard for long time just
for fun when you might make few bucks or something from
it. i can understand that. still would be nice to see
things happen differently too.
melw yep. but on the other hand why not to make smaller and perhaps
funnier demos for own pleasure.. well, perhaps some people do
so, they just wont release them to the public.
Grendel-B its all up to the coders though. without one no demos.
i cant force anybody, not even in B : got a screwy
idea few days ago but that would require a lot of work
still :
melw about byterapers, what demo of yours you like the most?
Grendel-B um, its one of the c64 ones. extremes.
i was so bloody amazed in assembly 95 when i saw it first
time from the bigscreen. it was finished just before guys
hopped to the last possible train to get into asm95 before
c64 democompo.
melw oh yes. i remember it, too. like i had to watch it mouth wide
open and think how it had all the same effects as pc demos
had back then. :
Grendel-B so nobody else had yet seen it. it had fantastic code
gfx and music but most of all, i was totally and
thoroughly amazed at the design. as i remember saying
there what the fuck? a byterapers demo with design?
Grendel-B everything else i could understand but that our demo had
real design and good look, that was new :
Grendel-B from our amiga products in like most The Beginning, by JTP.
melw when was it released?
Grendel-B It had a story. I actually managed to be poetic once in
my life. Released 12.08.1990.
I think it is our best demo ever content wise, though
the programming wasnt the best, it was JTPs 2nd release
on Amiga. Largely neglected demo because people only notice
the engine, not the story :
melw perhaps i should see it. i must admit i dont remember any
byterapers demo on amiga..
Grendel-B on PC Hyperventilation and Sexa of course, though I hope
our PC demo would one day have decent music
melw you dont like yolklegend style? :
Grendel-B i am oldskool man. i like musics that have melodies :
and not just some woowuupaapuu sounds that are tied
together with something remotely sounding like music and
beat :
ooooo gotta correct, hyper has great music but that is
of course the Abba style -
*** Grendel-B has left demojournal Grendel-B
Session Close: Tue Nov 30 21:26:33 1999
Session Start: Tue Nov 30 23:44:39 1999
*** Now talking in demojournal
*** Grendel-B has joined demojournal
melw ok, back to business.
lets forget scene for a while. this pause was held because of
those damn tv series. what are your favourite ones?
Grendel-B aha. lets peek inside grendels head session? : babylon 5,
liked earlier x-files, simpsons, futurama, space: above
beyond, hale pace... monty python ! : scifi humour
preferred. and some of the rare stuff like The State
Kenny Everett :
oooooo and never must forget Battlestar Galactiga -
it ruuules, RUUUULES
melw oh yeah. galactiga. i was almost ten years old when they
showed it on the tv. :
what about other favourites.. like food and drinks?
Grendel-B iimpossible to into details. almost everything goes down
on the foodside, coffee addict olvi sandels as preferred
beer. i dont consumed the heavy stuffs normally, only in
special circumstances like different parties where guys
bring barrelloads of self made stuffs.
Der Alte Flakpanzeroil is definitely the fab thing on the
hard booze sector : our aviation circles invention.
melw flakpanzeroil? sounds wicked. :
Grendel-B it has dropped people from all over the globe -
Der alte Flakpanzer hochleistungsmotorl vollsyntetisch
thats the official line -
melw i guess german readers of demojournal will get something out
this...
Grendel-B finns know the mild version as salmiakkikossu but this
is beefed way up and is a killer drink. the german or
other readers should get it is they are aviation freaks :
melw hey now ill do a short one-word question part. answer as
quickly you can about whatever pops into your mind from
following words:
melw salmiakki
Grendel-B haha kossu
editor: salmiakki is sal ammoniac - in which finnish people are often
mad about. and kossu aka koskenkorva is finnish strong booze. mixing
these two indegrients you get a somewhat abnormal experience...
melw beautiful woman
Grendel-B valtiatar - editor: galaksin valtiatar / hirmu
melw aars
Grendel-B party
melw a real oldskool guy
Grendel-B moku
melw zero tolerance
Grendel-B guards guards
melw hmm.. abba
Grendel-B pffffffft. hyperventilation of course
melw aaaand mr.sex
Grendel-B madmancoder
melw damn. i was hoping that king of the puke :
Grendel-B havent seemhim puking for some time, hes coding
instead elsewhere :
melw you have any funny b stories about mr.sex or any other rapers?
Grendel-B aw, theres dozens of stories but the problem is that they
usually surface only when were having a meeting and
theres no recorder or paper around.
melw hmm. i remember youre often having this little notebook with
you at the parties, dont you use it at b meetings? :
Grendel-B many stories in the B pages, bunch of little notes here
and there with material that i havent yet written to web or
anywhere. usually when those stories start surfacing im not
the condition to write them up :
melw hehe.
Grendel-B i think i ONCE wrote some 5 pages of stuff in one such
meeting. later i had to bring those notes with me to some
other, more sober, meeting and ask people to decipher
the hieroglyfs. i have horrible handwriting. it has
gotten even worse from all these years of typing on
keyboard. and its more or less unreadable when i write
much text as fast as possible, trying to keep up with
the talking :
melw you should have a pocket computer where to write such things.
tho i guess its not guaranteed to write with such toys any
clearer text...
Grendel-B videocamera on a stand might do the trick : once when
i came back from bar with birra/B i got this fantastic
urge to log into net and check email and write an email
to one person. notice this was when i had to dial from
terminal program, log manually and use unix shell. i
managed to get as far as into the email program, then
could not write anything sensible.
it took real long to get out of the email program,
fingers just kept slipping. finally i was back in unix
prompt, tyring to type exit. finally i even tried one
finger, other hand supports the finger hand and still
didnt manage it. birra proves this : so notebook to a
party? HAH no way. somebody would anyway take it to sauna.
well maybe it is time to return to the demoscene subject
after this little trip into the boozeland?
melw ok. weve talked quite much about byterapers but what about
the other groups. do you have any favourites among them?
Grendel-B not really. im not actively these days following the
scene happenings.
melw whats the latest demo youve watched, then?
Grendel-B i hear stuff, read stuff but not that much INTO them.
i more follow certain people, my friends, their actions
and listen to their suggestions, opinions and form some
kind of images from them
demo.... demo.... im afraid i cant even remember the
names... things quieted down a lot when most of the
scenepeople moved away from my previous hometown and
so the scene/demo activity went down way big. we had
good people there, byterapers doomsday folks, and
had very good time and exchanged demo information and
watched demos etc but when most moved, no more that fun
scenestuff :
melw well, at least i can remember i was watching the demo
competition at the last gathering with you and virne but i
dont remember anything from that competition itself. :
Grendel-B oh yeah, i definitely saw something in TG. and assembly :
oh maan, watching demos in parties some years ago way
much funnier than these days. We gathered in big groups
and yelled to the big screen if we didnt like what we saw
PASKAAAAAAAA! PASKAAAAAAAAAAA! KUUUTIOOOOOOOOO!
editor: SHIIIIIT! CRAAAAAP! CUUUUUUBE!
Grendel-B and then commented in very high noice level if the demo
or idea or something was good, too : interactive eh.
i think the assembly 92 c-64 competition and assembly 94
in the ice hockey hall compos were best, from our
watchers view :
melw you mean there was a lot of to comment or..
Grendel-B not that i remember anything about asm94 amiga compo.
was told later when watching demos we saw that and
sometimes even remotely recognizing something. lots to
comment and very fun otherwise too.
asm92 c-64 compo is very possibly the most chaotic
democompetition even. the auditorium room was so small
that we would only allow c64 scenepeople in. there was
no air conditioning, windows could not be opened..
deadbeat/sharks released the first c-64 demo ever that
was fully non-interactive the demo proceeded on its own
pace, until that all demos has parts and you skipped to
the next by pressing space bar. this loaded in background
and showed the part as long as it went on.
well deadbeat had slightly miscalculated the times
different parts took. this is good lenght style when
everything proceeded in fact bloody slow. oh maaan what
riot, the yelling, the commenting... in the backrow were
bunch swedes who didnt understand my expnalations you
cant press space until somebody told me to tell it in
english. well did that.
they were quiet 10 seconds and then practically burst
shouting to the demo and then everybody, whole room
joined in and finally we yelled even to the parts loader
to skip to next part. and did this for the rest of the
compo. man. fun. chaos. riot. sweaty. hot. definitely
fantastic demo competition -
its been our guideline since. but these days stupid people
actually start shhhhhhh be quiet you must not make noises
during demos
melw hahaha. that mustve been nice party! which reminds me i
havent asked your favourite party yet..
Grendel-B fav party. well. bloody likely not any of those i
arranged. working not fun. B voodoo party in 1989 very
likely the ehm... best remembered. cant really say.
the party bustrips have always been very....
thepartylike : ive always had good time in assemblys.
Juhla II, 3.14 IVb were very fun. but i would say that
maybe my trip to Denmark in 1989 was the best, gotta
check what it was, moment. Ikari Dominators Zargon,
Slagelse Denmark, 23-25.03.1989. yeah.
people still remind me from that one. few people have
jumped up suddenly on IRC this year asking remember me?
we met at slagelse and then they start telling how
drunk i was. oh maaan! they sold beer in the partyplace!
and it was denmark. cheap beer. hell first time for me
in denmark, you can imagine. finally i even exchanged
finnish money to dks in pubs to get more booze :
Grendel-B oh yeah here:
Rambones Grendel: at the Warfalcons/Bamiga Sector 1 party in 1989
in Denmark when IK+ for AMIGA was released, you were
EXTREMELY drunk, and we all didnt like you that much :-
remember ? from the GOOD old days, youre one of a few I
remember. id say you were one of the first to have a
personality - part of the reason is you were known as
booze boy or similar, but when it comes down to it,
because you were yourself, at parties, when we got to see
you. one of the first to drop his mask, and be himself -
so to speak. well - I hope to see you some day again, it
will trigger something.
melw now im laughing!
Grendel-B krhm. he also says some less positive things from the
party itself about me, which i really cannot remember :
but i have some 12 hours long black hole in my memory
too : those poor fairlight guys had problems to decide
to whos car i would be stuffed : partysmell.
Ive changed a lot since those days : i even go to
shower in the partyplace : one thing that made me think
in rambones message was that people really had masks in
their scenething. scenepersonality + real life person
were sometimes very different. on the other hand i have,
mostly at least, been just myself. just keeping some
distance between hobby profession.
melw thats the way it should be. people cant become real friends
if their having something like differend scenepersonality.
Grendel-B most people i know these days are themselves,thats a good
thing, one detail where scene has progressed. it is a
good thing i cannot remember anymore everything that
happened back then, or the rumours or anything. damn if
i had kept some sort of scene diary it wouldnt all be
nice clean memories of golden youth.
melw thats why people should write more partyreports..
Grendel-B some people had their dark side but luckily most were
great fellas and after forgetting the bad things those
times seem now very nice. when scandinavian news maggy
magazines were in their prime time i was helluwa active
writer. knew the parties scene inside out. visited every
party.
melw talking about b-web, isnt that your aim? i mean, gathering
as much as partyreports and such there are, at least from
finnish parties.
Grendel-B gotta be happy i took my time once and wrote the party
history of finnish scene around 1992. that material is
totally awesome today. not that i anymore agree with my
previous self on everything, but it is historically
valuable now. and yes, i hope to collect history of
finnish scene there, as much as possible.
melw yep. ive already read some of those maggy articles, and they
are something... unforgettable.
Grendel-B thing is, not many help me in that. and wellmotivation
is lower when you should do everything yourself, so
theres less incentive to do even that bit. were
planning to move BWeb to own domain. right now we lack
a hard disk. other things should be in place. it will be
put to 100mb backbone, and with plenty own HD space we
can start putting some heavyweight stuff there. like
VCD/MPEG videos from old parties!
btw we need few maggy issues here, if anybody has 1,2,8
then gimme! : with the move BWeb will also be redesigned
so the material is easier to find. after maggy archive i
will start working on the Scandinavian News magazine.
Grabbin those old Finnish scene mags online to www format
is quite the easiest way to offer lots and lots of old
info in the original form :
and of course i keep collecting all kind of old tidbits
to text file, IRC discussions, newsgroup messages,
anything useful so I can drop them to BWeb some day.
This article will be there as well -
maybe BWeb will be the thing I will be remembered for :
Spend my life documenting the Finnish demoscene from c-64
to amiga, pc, wap ja finally to the intelligent machines
that will code demos themselves and then comes solar
storm that wipes all magnetic data. my website included -
melw at least if its still far from complete i havent seen
anything similar anywhere else.
Grendel-B no way complete. i got plenty material waiting for it,
just need time but i dont usually have it. And lots of
things have not been written about at all.
melw i hope youll get those Presentations of any and all Finnish
groups ever, on any platform. and Scenedude directory
online some day as well.
Grendel-B Yup. But imagine what kind of huge work that would be?
That is exactly the problem. but some day, hopefully.
at least the feedback gives some strenght to at least
think about it.
melw but you are also probably one of the few people who can write
about those early groups and people..
Grendel-B there are some others too luckily. if i can find time
myself i might be able to get some data from them as well.
well, maybe after getting the bdomain i can put up a
mailing list and start flooding those people so they will
finally be forced to write just to get me stop flooding :
but first, BWeb domain move redesign. Then, who knows
if I might start that.
melw good luck, anyways. do you have anything more to say about
the subject? i think now it would be good time to quit this
interview.
Grendel-B subject..... err what was the last official subject?
melw well..
Grendel-B something :
melw hey but heres your chance to advertise a bit.
Grendel-B visit BWeb, give money. vote in www.doose.dk.
http://www.byterapers.scene.org and for my second passion,
http://icebreakers.warbirds.org.
if you have any material about finnish scene or would
like to write something, party reports, whatever, you can
contact me through BWeb. Somebody could write a good
article about the early Finnish PC demoscene, that would
be very useful.
melw ok. thank you very much for the interview.
Grendel-B allrite, my pleasure
melw so good night, say hello to valtiatar! :
Grendel-B enjoy life, have fun. will do :
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Session Close: Wed Dec 01 01:59:33 1999
! demo !
Superstar DJs by Retro AC party-version
Found at www.scene.org
??th place at Dreamhack99
System requirements:
PII 300, 128 MB RAM but works with 64, 640*480 16bits only.
4 MB HD, and Midas for sound
The demo:
At almost every medium/big party, theres at least one hires
design-demo released, and Superstar DJs was one of those at
Dreamhack. It uses a 640*480 mode, a good thing as it is more
universally supported than 512*384, but only 640*280 is actually
used. Of course weve all standard ingredients: moving vertical
lines in the backgrounds, wireframed and transparent 3D-objects
of the cubical kind, small pics consisting of lines/circles only,
etc.
Something more original are the short, weird messages that show
up everywhere, mostly in scrollers but also hidden in the background,
like This is not official debut release of retro, this is just a
lack of time and transparent LSD or superstar wepopa inside the
internal flex dies. We came to Dreamhack with summertyres :.
editor: just take a guess were those people at charlys car
horrified? :
The effects arent really impressive, with the exception of the
free-direction tunnel, but they are used well. Theres for example
a recursive cube, with the opacity of each level changing sometimes,
or the two knots of lights and vectors that move into each other.
The background-pictures arent really minimal anymore, but hi-res
photos of motherboards, bombs, Japanese temples or some people with
a block-effect over them not moving, maybe a photoshop filter.
The combination with the layers of circle/stripes pictures feels a
bit awkward, but I prefer them to the old lettersnumbers backgrounds.
MD has made the music, as special guest star, so you should all
know the style, remember Moral Hard Candy, Kkowboy the first part
is quite similar to me, etc. The synchronizing mostly objects
suddenly changing angles is always tied to the same drum, which
makes too predictable IMO.
Worth the download ?
Some things I heard before I saw it: Its strange its not in the
top-3, as we are hi Melwyn :, and it should have won from
Mindstammer hands down. CSIPD, dont remember who. Honestly,
I dont think its such a killer. Maybe I cannot judge 100 fairly,
because my PC doesnt have 128 MB RAM, but on the other side
theres this scroller Midas FrameCounter causes illegal pause
during the playbacksession, so maybe it happens everywhere, and
anyway I think this type of demo without videos etc shouldnt
need that much mem to run without freezing. And I hope that the
non-anti-aliased lines have not started their comeback : But of
course its a good design-demo, and though it doesnt reach the
MHC-standard, for people who love these its definitely a must-see.
Seven
! intro !
Viagra by Mewlers
Winner of the 64kb intro competition at Assembly 1999
Credits
Rainmaker: programming
216: programming
Little Bitchard: music
Honeybunny: grapics
Download
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/1999/assembly99/in64/viagrab.zip
Mewlers and MFX is a Finnish group which have been very
active in releasing intros for many years now. They made the
Impact or the Gamma series for example. They have a certain
style, but this does not mean that their intros look similar
to each other. Viagra is their latest work.
The intro consists of five parts. In the first part there is a
yellow jumping, morphing ball. The second part is a small 3d
scene a water surface is visible with an object floating
above it. The water is a waving bumped surface, and even the
object is being reflected in it. The third part starts as an
ordinary 2d bump effect, but it is soon visible that the
surface is moving in 3d. The surface then changes into an UFO
head, and it even casts shadows. Then the texture of the head
changes, and light rays come out of it. The fourth part is a
free directional tunnel effect, with a sphere inside it, which
is giving out rays of light. These lights are cast on the
surface of the tunnel. It is a bit unpleasant that this light
looks as if it were reflected on a spherical surface, while it
is in a tunnel in fact and it also shows the ugly jerky
pixels in the distance. The fifth and last effect is a purple
sphere, which is rolling and moving, while light is coming
out of it.
There are a lot of pictures, shown here-and-there through the
intro. They look ok, but there are no connection among them,
and they are not really related to the intro either.
The music - is strange... It is a loud, raging, noisy
soundtrack. It is probably the worst feature of this intro
sometimes it really gets on ones nerves. In spite of this,
the music and the visuals are kept well together. There are
white flashes, and the effects are following the beat of the
drum.
The best point of this intro is the code. There are lots of
great, new and fast effects. In 1999, most programmers tend to
code the same kind of 3d scene players, and this often results
in very similar demos and intros. It is pleasant to see these
unique effects, like 3d water, bump with shadows, or
lightrays.
Gekko
gk@scene.hu
! music !
Dance To The Drummers Beat
Dharma
www.mono211.com
Fantastic track. Its a sort of funk with perfect drumline,
great leads like saxophone, flute and other fitting instruments,
all recorded live I guess. Flute is played in a bit
experimental form which is often on real-life musicians
and its sound is echoed. Best release under Mono211 label.
Must have!
le petit prince and twixt cup and lip...
falcon
www.tdr.scene.org - tokyo138.zip and tokyo140.zip
How can it be? That many worlds in one, that unique and that
much common. This genius from Poland mixes all styles in the
new form that touches mans soul. Strong basslines, triphop
sounds, soft melodies - its the world itself in its simple
form - youll be surprised, again. Amazing. If you miss it,
you will never understand.
tryhuk
! question !
Question of the week:
Whats your favourite beer?
Karhu
- Virne
Karhu
- Lemming
Karhu
- Distance
editor: pretty repeative, uh?
Id prefer the some of the finnish lagers, like koff,
lapinkulta legenda, olvi cxx, karhu.. maybe as a single
one it would be KOFF IVA
- Droid
I DONT DRINK BEER GODDAMNIT! What are these questions,
for some LAMERS? @42..
- Los
Hoegaarten, but if we talk about real beer, then Karhu.
- Jate
Zipfer from Austria
- Griesse
Augustiner Bru Mnchen
If you dont know it, you have never tasted *real* beer. For
those of you who dont know it: *real* beer Bavarian beer.
Ask Psychic Symphony! The only foreign stuff that can truly
be called beer is Becks, Guinnes and maybe Carlsberg.
- beer/evolve
Pretty much all of them
- kombi
cardinal lager - swiss beer rules!
- Unlock/Vantage/PAiN
humm... for standard drinking in large quantities, Bud and
Superbock portuguese beer are good. for drinking on a
fashionable bar, though, i like powerful belgian beers
such as Bush 12 or irish stout Guiness.
- rents / digital artists
Lappin Kulta
- Makke
foreign: heineken
finnish: sandels
- frodo
carlsberg, tuborg, asahi superdry... random order.
- tmkINFdolphin
karhu and hansa fatl. And polish ococim
- jawskooma
i dont like beer
- Jean Nine / FD Intense Kyoto
saaremaa lu or lapinkulta. its hard to choose.
- kokki
belzebuth not sure if the spelling is right,
its some imported juicy 15 vol. hammer :
- cp/witchcraft
zielony green lech.
- Yarpen/Substance
Castle
- Marius
thats an easy one: De Koninck aka Bolleke
like everybody knows this is not probably but certainly the
best beer in the world and of course its Belgian
http://www.dekoninck.be
- DJefke
guinness
- Ronan
why, Grolsch Herfstbok ofcourse!
- I. Smoltsak
Lapin Kulta 7,5 is good for you !
- exocet/jff
Heineken
- teo . kangoorooexceed
nikolai of course :
- chavez
olvi sandels
- grendel
San Miguel
- David Gil
Guinness. The only beer what I can drink :
- Aries
! quote !
Just in case you wonder what do the people talk about at suomiscene..
lemminG hep
rzb hip
Moku hop
drQ ponks
melw boink
rzb zot
! homepages !
Groups:
3g Design..............................http://3gdesign.cjb.net
Acid Rain..............................http://surf.to/acidrain
Anakata..............................http://www.anakata.art.pl
Astral..............................http://astral.scene-hu.com
Astroidea........................http://astroidea.scene-hu.com
AtomiK....................................http://atomik.ini.hu
Bomb..................................http://bomb.planet-d.net
BlaBla..............................http://blabla.planet-d.net
Blasphemy..............................http://www.blasphemy.dk
Byterapers.....................http://www.byterapers.scene.org
Calodox.................................http://www.calodox.org
Chrome..............................http://chrome.scene-hu.com
Defacto 2..............................http://www.defacto2.net
Dolops......................... ........http://dolOps.scene.hu
Exceed...........................http://www.inf.bme.hu/exceed
Fobia Design...........................http://www.fd.scene.org
GODS...................................http://www.idf.net/gods
Green.....................................http://green.dyns.cx
Grif........................http://arrabonet.gyor.hu/rattgrif
Haujobb......................................http://haujobb.de
Hellcore............................http://www.hellcore.art.pl
IJSKAST.............................http://www.ijskast.cjb.net
Immortals..............................http://imrt.home.ml.org
Infuse...................................http://www.infuse.org
Just For Fun...........................http://jff.planet-d.net
Kilobite...............................http://kilobite.cjb.net
Kolor................................http://www.kaoz.org/kolor
Kooma.....................................http://www.kooma.com
Label zero.........................http://labelzero.pganet.com
Mandula.........................http://www.inf.bme.hu/mandula
Monar................ftp://amber.bti.pl/pub/scene/distro/monar
Noice.....................................http://www.noice.org
Orion..............................http://orion.arfstudios.org
Quad........................................http://www.quad.nl
Rage........................................http://www.rage.nu
Replay.......................http://www.shine.scene.org/replay
Rhyme................................http://rhyme.scene-hu.com
Skytech team............................http://www.skytech.org
Sunflower.......................http://sunflower.opengl.org.pl
Suspend......................http://www.optimus.wroc.pl/rappid
Tehdas...................................http://come.to/tehdas
Tesko..........................http://www.scentral.demon.co.uk
The Black Lotus.............................http://www.tbl.org
The Digital Artists Wired Nation.http://digitalartists.cjb.net
The Lost Souls...............................http://www.tls.no
TPOLM.....................................http://www.tpolm.com
Trauma.................................http://sauna.net/trauma
T-Rex.....................................http://www.t-rex.org
Universe..........................http://universe.planet-d.net
Vantage.........................http://www.profzone.ch/vantage
Music:
Aisth.....................................http://www.aisth.com
Blacktron Music Production...........http://www.d-zign.com/bmp
Chill..........................http://www.bentdesign.com/chill
Chiptune...............................http://www.chiptune.com
Da Jormas................................http://www.jormas.com
Five Musicians.........................http://www.fm.scene.org
Fridge...........................http://www.ssmedion.de/fridge
Ignorance.............................http://www.ignorance.org
Intense...........................http://intense.ignorance.org
Jecoute.................................http://jecoute.cjb.net
Kosmic Free Music Foundation.............http://www.kosmic.org
Level-d.................................http://www.level-d.com
Milk.......................................http://milk.sgic.fi
Mah Music.............................http://come.to/mah.music
Maniacs of noise...............http://home.worldonline.nl/mon
MAZs Sound homepage.............http://www.th-zwickau.de/maz
Moplayaz..........................http://ssmedion.de/moplayaz
Mono211.................................http://www.mono211.com
Morbid Minds..............http://www.raveordie.com/morbidminds
Noise................................http://www.noisemusic.org
One Touch Records......................http://otr.planet-d.net
Radical Rhythms.....http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/merrelli/rr
RBi Music.............................htpp://www.rbi-music.com
Ruff Engine................http://members.xoom.com/ruffengine
Sound Devotion................http://sugarbomb.x2o.net/soundev
Soundstate.........................http://listen.to/soundstate
Sunlikamelo-D...........http://www.error-404.com/sunlikamelo-d
Suspect Records........................http://www.tande.com/sr
Tequila........................http://www.defacto2.net/tequila
Tempo................................http://tempomusic.cjb.net
Theralite...........................http://theralite.avalon.hr
Tokyo Dawn Records........................http://tdr.scene.org
UltraBeat.........................http://www.innerverse.com/ub
Vibrants................................http://www.vibrants.dk
People:
3d addict...................http://users.cybercity.dk/bcc5877
Anders Akerheden...............http://hem.passagen.se/andersak
Ari..............................http://www.primenet.com/arie
Attack..............................http://attack.planet-d.net
Balrog.........................http://www.mds.mdh.se/mek98adl
Carlos..............................http://www.nexus.hu/carlos
!Cube......................http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/tlonnber
Dave.............................http://www.come.to/davecorner
DaVinci.................................http://davinci.ice.org
Echo................................http://www.kki.net.pl/echo
Exocet..........................http://jff.planet-d.net/exocet
Flan.............................http://www.error-404.com/flan
Gardner................................http://www.gardner.z.pl
Grabule........................http://members.xoom.com/grabule
Hunz............................http://www.globec.com.au/hunz
HP........................................http://hp.pardey.org
Inferno............................http://inferno.planet-d.net
Jean Nine....................................http://j9.cjb.net
Jimsendu............................http://home.sol.no/ojakobs
Jupiter....................http://members.xoom.com/JupiterCode
Leviathan....................http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/ajcarlso
Los........................http://www.angelfire.com/in/miku305
Mephisto.............................http://www.chez.com/shiva
Mystical................................http://www.mystical.dk
Nekrite.....................................http://move.to/ap0
Nico....................................http://geecs.org/nico
Nino...................http://www.saunalahti.fi/kuusnie/tapsa
Nogsf..............................http://www.saers.com/nogsf
Pow.................................http://home.sol.no/tskara
Rents................................http://newdigital.tsx.org
Rez.................................http://reeeeez.citeweb.net
Rod.................................http://www.inf.bme.hu/rod
Scorpik............................http://scorpik.planet-d.net
Shodan...............................http://shodan.skytech.org
Skal..................................http://skal.planet-d.net
Skaven..........................http://isis.yok.utu.fi/skaven
Sol..................................http://www.icon.fi/solar
Spell.........................http://www.ThePentagon.com/Spell
Splif..............................http://splif.aegis-corp.org
Szoke......................................http://szoke.ini.hu
TheREW..............................http://home.wxs.nl/therew
Traven..............................http://traven.planet-d.net
TS................................http://www2.hawaii.edu/myee
Tuo.....................................http://tuo.skytech.org
Unlock...........................http://www.profzone.ch/unlock
Vivid..................................http://vivid.kosmic.org
Wain.............http://zevs.ifi.ntnu.no/frankwer/gfx/gfx.htm
Warder...............................http://www.dlc.fi/warder
Willbe...................................http://willbe.cjb.net
Yannis...........................http://www.zip.com.au/yannis
Zden....................................http://message.sk/zden
Others:
Arf!Studios..........................http://www.arfstudios.org
Calodox demolinks exchange.....http://calodox.planet-d.net/cde
coders..................................http://coderz.cjb.net
Comic Pirates.........................http://scene-central.com
Demo fanclub........................http://jerware.org/fanclub
Digital Undergrounds.....................http://dug.iscool.net
Doose charts...............................http://www.doose.dk
Dreams2 CD.........................http://nl.scene.org/dreams2
Freax...................http://freax.scene-hu.com/mainmenu.htm
GfxZone.................................http://www.gfxzone.org
Hugi size-compo...............http://home.pages.de/hugi-compo
Orange Juice.........................http://ojuice.citeweb.net
PC-demos explained.....http://www.oldskool.org/demos/explained
Pixel...................................http://pixel.scene.org
Scenet....................................http://www.scenet.de
Sunray..............................http://sunray.planet-d.net
Swiss......................http://www.profzone.ch/vantage/list
TakeOver................................http://www.takeover.nl
Textmode Demo Archive.................http://tmda.planet-d.net
Hungarian scene page...................http://www.scene-hu.com
Trebel...................................http://www.trebel.org
Zen of Tracking.........................http://surf.to/the-imm
Diskmags:
Amber...............................http://amber.bti.pl/dimag
Amnesia...............http://amnesia-dist.future.easyspace.com
Demojournal....................http://demojournal.planet-d.net
Fleur................................http://fleur.scene-hu.com
Heroin...................................http://www.heroin.net
Hugi........................http://home.pages.de/hugidownload
Pain........................,,,,,,....http://pain.planet-d.net
Static Line......................http://www.ic.l7.net/statline
Total Disaster...................http://www.totaldisaster.w.pl
TUHB.......................................http://www.tuhb.org
Ftps:
Amber.......................................ftp://amber.bti.pl
Cyberbox.....................................ftp://cyberbox.de
Flerp............new files listed.......ftp://flerp.scene.hu
Scene.org........new files listed........ftp://ftp.scene.org
Skynet archive.................ftp://acid2.stack.nl/pub/skynet
ACiD2 Archive.............................ftp://acid2.stack.nl
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!: 68 :: 05 dec 1999 :
editorial
demonews
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!: editorial :
Howdy. This week Im continuing with the suomiscene theme
with an interview with Grendel. Otherwise it has been
quite, seems like nothing is happening since everybody are
waiting for The Party. Well, looks like Carlsberg is still
probably the best beer in the world. Enjoy the issue!
Melwyn
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!: demonews :
newsREPLAY:
Replay has released shineRETRO! It includes articles,
charts, interviews, partyreports and results from Shine
issues 1-5.
Deadline for Shine 6 is 15.12. You can send articles to
balo@home.se
Whisker had a haircut.
Return of the Stage Nine has been released. This sequel to
the famous musicdisk Stage9 is quite huge compilation almost
300 Mbs if you download the music as MP3 of well known scene
musicians tunes. Check it out at http://www.polpo.org/rts9/
TG organizers had a little setback:
Oooops. We upgraded the server during the weekend and managed
to fry our root-disk in the process. There is however a good
chance that we can salvage the data if we get our hands on an
identical drive. So, if anybody has a Seagate Hawk1 ST11200N
1.05GB SCSI harddrive, please contact us ASAP.
But later on they arranged a design compo for the new web
pages... If youre interested in getting two free tickets
to TG00, take a look the compo rules at http://www.gathering.org
gODS have released GAudio v1.01:
The new version of the audio library manager has some new
features and bugfixes, like improved MOD XM class,
wavemapper support for RAW/WAV/MP3 and NT 4.0
compatibility. You can find GAudio at:
http://www.flipcode.com
http://www.idf.net/gods
http://www.programmersheaven.com
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!: party on! :
starts !! ends !! location !! name !! contact !
Nov 13 - Nov 15, 1999 Hungary Conference 3000 http://hp.pardey.org/c3000
Nov 19 - Nov 21, 1999 Germany Breed 99 http://www.alienpub.com/breed/99
Nov ?? - Nov ??, 1999 Germany Cologne Conf. 99 http://www.academicus.de/cc98
! present time !
Dec 11 - Dec 12, 1999 Slovenia Abort 99 http://www.stjost.org/abort99
Dec 27 - Dec 28, 1999 Romania Dracula 99
Dec 27 - Dec 30, 1999 Denmark The Party 9 http://www.theparty.dk
Jan 21 - Jan 23, 2000 Finland Elevator 3 http://www.elevator.labra.com
Mar 10 - Mar 12, 2000 Holland Ambience 2000 http://www.ambience.nl
Mar 31 - Apr 02, 2000 Finland Rendezvous 01 http://rendezvous.stc.cx
Apr 19 - Apr 23, 2000 Norway The Gathering 1900 http://www.gathering.org
May 06 - May 07, 2000 Russia Parodox 2000 http://eltes.info-don.ru/kirr
May 26 - May 28, 2000 Germany Radwar Party 2000 http://www.radwar.com
May ?? - May ??, 2000 Germany Dialogos 2000 http://www.dialogos.cc/
Jul 14 - Jul 16, 2000 Belgium Inscene 2000 http://www.inscene.org
Aug ?? - Aug ??, 2000 Poland Gravity 2000 neuroup@agravedict.art.pl
Nov ?? - Nov ??, 2000 France Millenium Party 2K
??? ?? - ??? ??, 2000 USA Bang! 2000 http://www.scene.org/bang!
??? ?? - ??? ??, 2000 Australia Coven 2000 http://www.coven2000.org
Dec 13 - Dec 15, 2000 Holland ST News ICCC 2000 http://www.scriba.org/stnicc2000
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!: weekly :
This week! Ive mostly been listening to Squarepusher
thanks, Distance.
! interview !
Session Start: Tue Nov 30 20:39:46 1999
*** Now talking in demojournal
*** Grendel-B has joined demojournal
melw good evening, grendel.
Grendel-B to you too
melw lets begin this interview with the usual questions.
like who you are and what do you do?
Grendel-B im one of the original founding members in byterapers,
still somehow hanging around and well, my activities
arent that big anymore. some organizing and mainly
keeping up the B web pages when i got the time.
generally i still make the decisions in the group,
though these days i tend to be soft and ask others
opinions too. in real life, a computer journalist.
melw it has been quite silent on the b front for some time.
you havent released anything after sexadelic...
Grendel-B nope, its been little bits of this and that going on
but currently there is no serious ongoing plan for demo.
this hopefully will change after we again get our mailing
lists up and running. our previous mailing lists were
very active with ideas and i think we were gearing up
for a good project, but after the mailing lists got
dropped one guy moved-lost access to certain machine
things quieted down drastically.
to say the truth, well we almost released a demo last
spring.
melw at the gathering?
Grendel-B some crap things happened though and we didnt get it out.
uh, if im not wrong things screwed up twice. first demo
was about to be released in TP and it would have been
finished, then the designers machine crashed and he
could not finish the demo. actually i dont think many of
us have even seen that particular demo, the damn guy
refuses to show it to us :
it was again attempted for TG, no luck, and the 2nd !
TG demo that was/is my particular pet project was
dropped as the other designer got into really bad booze
addiction + crashed his machine, too. dung.
bad booze addictionway worse than average Byteraper
booze consumption. that is a lot.
melw haha. ok, you were one of the founding members of b.
this happened in 1986, right?
Grendel-B so it was.
melw how was scene back then? or was there any kind of scene
at all?
Grendel-B not really. the -finnish- scene started to take form
during 87. there were scattered small groups, teams or
dudes here and there, and during the middle/late 86 they
started to find each other then during 87 they started to
have more communication, swapping, even actively starting
to produce intros and demos.
i would claim, from my memory, that the real scene
started to exist in middle 87, things were very nicely
in late 87 and the jezebels/fig party in dec 1987 gave
one mighty boost
the first party in finland, everyone seeing each other for
the first time, was big fun, many friendships made that
last even today. you can still see some of them visiting
suomiscene :
melw like you. :
Grendel-B in 88 scene existed then in the way we today see, just
still growing. lots of youthful anger, big words, flame
wars, competition and racing to be the best. funny to
think how it was so normal then -
melw sounds fun. theres no real wars anymore between groups. :
Grendel-B federations against whatever group that someone was angry
with lots of competition etc but always real fun to meet
and talk crap with them : except the one time Conan/Stack
came to me threatening me you have talked crap about Stack
me nononoo what nnonooo and later managed to find out he
had slightly misunderstood something zados had said. Conan
was, err, just like you might imagine from the name :
melw :
in a way demoscene has been a lot more serious during all these
years. like nobody releases demos anymore just for fun etc.
Grendel-B aaaa quite true. big parties do that. money to be made.
why release demo youve worked hard for long time just
for fun when you might make few bucks or something from
it. i can understand that. still would be nice to see
things happen differently too.
melw yep. but on the other hand why not to make smaller and perhaps
funnier demos for own pleasure.. well, perhaps some people do
so, they just wont release them to the public.
Grendel-B its all up to the coders though. without one no demos.
i cant force anybody, not even in B : got a screwy
idea few days ago but that would require a lot of work
still :
melw about byterapers, what demo of yours you like the most?
Grendel-B um, its one of the c64 ones. extremes.
i was so bloody amazed in assembly 95 when i saw it first
time from the bigscreen. it was finished just before guys
hopped to the last possible train to get into asm95 before
c64 democompo.
melw oh yes. i remember it, too. like i had to watch it mouth wide
open and think how it had all the same effects as pc demos
had back then. :
Grendel-B so nobody else had yet seen it. it had fantastic code
gfx and music but most of all, i was totally and
thoroughly amazed at the design. as i remember saying
there what the fuck? a byterapers demo with design?
Grendel-B everything else i could understand but that our demo had
real design and good look, that was new :
Grendel-B from our amiga products in like most The Beginning, by JTP.
melw when was it released?
Grendel-B It had a story. I actually managed to be poetic once in
my life. Released 12.08.1990.
I think it is our best demo ever content wise, though
the programming wasnt the best, it was JTPs 2nd release
on Amiga. Largely neglected demo because people only notice
the engine, not the story :
melw perhaps i should see it. i must admit i dont remember any
byterapers demo on amiga..
Grendel-B on PC Hyperventilation and Sexa of course, though I hope
our PC demo would one day have decent music
melw you dont like yolklegend style? :
Grendel-B i am oldskool man. i like musics that have melodies :
and not just some woowuupaapuu sounds that are tied
together with something remotely sounding like music and
beat :
ooooo gotta correct, hyper has great music but that is
of course the Abba style -
*** Grendel-B has left demojournal Grendel-B
Session Close: Tue Nov 30 21:26:33 1999
Session Start: Tue Nov 30 23:44:39 1999
*** Now talking in demojournal
*** Grendel-B has joined demojournal
melw ok, back to business.
lets forget scene for a while. this pause was held because of
those damn tv series. what are your favourite ones?
Grendel-B aha. lets peek inside grendels head session? : babylon 5,
liked earlier x-files, simpsons, futurama, space: above
beyond, hale pace... monty python ! : scifi humour
preferred. and some of the rare stuff like The State
Kenny Everett :
oooooo and never must forget Battlestar Galactiga -
it ruuules, RUUUULES
melw oh yeah. galactiga. i was almost ten years old when they
showed it on the tv. :
what about other favourites.. like food and drinks?
Grendel-B iimpossible to into details. almost everything goes down
on the foodside, coffee addict olvi sandels as preferred
beer. i dont consumed the heavy stuffs normally, only in
special circumstances like different parties where guys
bring barrelloads of self made stuffs.
Der Alte Flakpanzeroil is definitely the fab thing on the
hard booze sector : our aviation circles invention.
melw flakpanzeroil? sounds wicked. :
Grendel-B it has dropped people from all over the globe -
Der alte Flakpanzer hochleistungsmotorl vollsyntetisch
thats the official line -
melw i guess german readers of demojournal will get something out
this...
Grendel-B finns know the mild version as salmiakkikossu but this
is beefed way up and is a killer drink. the german or
other readers should get it is they are aviation freaks :
melw hey now ill do a short one-word question part. answer as
quickly you can about whatever pops into your mind from
following words:
melw salmiakki
Grendel-B haha kossu
editor: salmiakki is sal ammoniac - in which finnish people are often
mad about. and kossu aka koskenkorva is finnish strong booze. mixing
these two indegrients you get a somewhat abnormal experience...
melw beautiful woman
Grendel-B valtiatar - editor: galaksin valtiatar / hirmu
melw aars
Grendel-B party
melw a real oldskool guy
Grendel-B moku
melw zero tolerance
Grendel-B guards guards
melw hmm.. abba
Grendel-B pffffffft. hyperventilation of course
melw aaaand mr.sex
Grendel-B madmancoder
melw damn. i was hoping that king of the puke :
Grendel-B havent seemhim puking for some time, hes coding
instead elsewhere :
melw you have any funny b stories about mr.sex or any other rapers?
Grendel-B aw, theres dozens of stories but the problem is that they
usually surface only when were having a meeting and
theres no recorder or paper around.
melw hmm. i remember youre often having this little notebook with
you at the parties, dont you use it at b meetings? :
Grendel-B many stories in the B pages, bunch of little notes here
and there with material that i havent yet written to web or
anywhere. usually when those stories start surfacing im not
the condition to write them up :
melw hehe.
Grendel-B i think i ONCE wrote some 5 pages of stuff in one such
meeting. later i had to bring those notes with me to some
other, more sober, meeting and ask people to decipher
the hieroglyfs. i have horrible handwriting. it has
gotten even worse from all these years of typing on
keyboard. and its more or less unreadable when i write
much text as fast as possible, trying to keep up with
the talking :
melw you should have a pocket computer where to write such things.
tho i guess its not guaranteed to write with such toys any
clearer text...
Grendel-B videocamera on a stand might do the trick : once when
i came back from bar with birra/B i got this fantastic
urge to log into net and check email and write an email
to one person. notice this was when i had to dial from
terminal program, log manually and use unix shell. i
managed to get as far as into the email program, then
could not write anything sensible.
it took real long to get out of the email program,
fingers just kept slipping. finally i was back in unix
prompt, tyring to type exit. finally i even tried one
finger, other hand supports the finger hand and still
didnt manage it. birra proves this : so notebook to a
party? HAH no way. somebody would anyway take it to sauna.
well maybe it is time to return to the demoscene subject
after this little trip into the boozeland?
melw ok. weve talked quite much about byterapers but what about
the other groups. do you have any favourites among them?
Grendel-B not really. im not actively these days following the
scene happenings.
melw whats the latest demo youve watched, then?
Grendel-B i hear stuff, read stuff but not that much INTO them.
i more follow certain people, my friends, their actions
and listen to their suggestions, opinions and form some
kind of images from them
demo.... demo.... im afraid i cant even remember the
names... things quieted down a lot when most of the
scenepeople moved away from my previous hometown and
so the scene/demo activity went down way big. we had
good people there, byterapers doomsday folks, and
had very good time and exchanged demo information and
watched demos etc but when most moved, no more that fun
scenestuff :
melw well, at least i can remember i was watching the demo
competition at the last gathering with you and virne but i
dont remember anything from that competition itself. :
Grendel-B oh yeah, i definitely saw something in TG. and assembly :
oh maan, watching demos in parties some years ago way
much funnier than these days. We gathered in big groups
and yelled to the big screen if we didnt like what we saw
PASKAAAAAAAA! PASKAAAAAAAAAAA! KUUUTIOOOOOOOOO!
editor: SHIIIIIT! CRAAAAAP! CUUUUUUBE!
Grendel-B and then commented in very high noice level if the demo
or idea or something was good, too : interactive eh.
i think the assembly 92 c-64 competition and assembly 94
in the ice hockey hall compos were best, from our
watchers view :
melw you mean there was a lot of to comment or..
Grendel-B not that i remember anything about asm94 amiga compo.
was told later when watching demos we saw that and
sometimes even remotely recognizing something. lots to
comment and very fun otherwise too.
asm92 c-64 compo is very possibly the most chaotic
democompetition even. the auditorium room was so small
that we would only allow c64 scenepeople in. there was
no air conditioning, windows could not be opened..
deadbeat/sharks released the first c-64 demo ever that
was fully non-interactive the demo proceeded on its own
pace, until that all demos has parts and you skipped to
the next by pressing space bar. this loaded in background
and showed the part as long as it went on.
well deadbeat had slightly miscalculated the times
different parts took. this is good lenght style when
everything proceeded in fact bloody slow. oh maaan what
riot, the yelling, the commenting... in the backrow were
bunch swedes who didnt understand my expnalations you
cant press space until somebody told me to tell it in
english. well did that.
they were quiet 10 seconds and then practically burst
shouting to the demo and then everybody, whole room
joined in and finally we yelled even to the parts loader
to skip to next part. and did this for the rest of the
compo. man. fun. chaos. riot. sweaty. hot. definitely
fantastic demo competition -
its been our guideline since. but these days stupid people
actually start shhhhhhh be quiet you must not make noises
during demos
melw hahaha. that mustve been nice party! which reminds me i
havent asked your favourite party yet..
Grendel-B fav party. well. bloody likely not any of those i
arranged. working not fun. B voodoo party in 1989 very
likely the ehm... best remembered. cant really say.
the party bustrips have always been very....
thepartylike : ive always had good time in assemblys.
Juhla II, 3.14 IVb were very fun. but i would say that
maybe my trip to Denmark in 1989 was the best, gotta
check what it was, moment. Ikari Dominators Zargon,
Slagelse Denmark, 23-25.03.1989. yeah.
people still remind me from that one. few people have
jumped up suddenly on IRC this year asking remember me?
we met at slagelse and then they start telling how
drunk i was. oh maaan! they sold beer in the partyplace!
and it was denmark. cheap beer. hell first time for me
in denmark, you can imagine. finally i even exchanged
finnish money to dks in pubs to get more booze :
Grendel-B oh yeah here:
Rambones Grendel: at the Warfalcons/Bamiga Sector 1 party in 1989
in Denmark when IK+ for AMIGA was released, you were
EXTREMELY drunk, and we all didnt like you that much :-
remember ? from the GOOD old days, youre one of a few I
remember. id say you were one of the first to have a
personality - part of the reason is you were known as
booze boy or similar, but when it comes down to it,
because you were yourself, at parties, when we got to see
you. one of the first to drop his mask, and be himself -
so to speak. well - I hope to see you some day again, it
will trigger something.
melw now im laughing!
Grendel-B krhm. he also says some less positive things from the
party itself about me, which i really cannot remember :
but i have some 12 hours long black hole in my memory
too : those poor fairlight guys had problems to decide
to whos car i would be stuffed : partysmell.
Ive changed a lot since those days : i even go to
shower in the partyplace : one thing that made me think
in rambones message was that people really had masks in
their scenething. scenepersonality + real life person
were sometimes very different. on the other hand i have,
mostly at least, been just myself. just keeping some
distance between hobby profession.
melw thats the way it should be. people cant become real friends
if their having something like differend scenepersonality.
Grendel-B most people i know these days are themselves,thats a good
thing, one detail where scene has progressed. it is a
good thing i cannot remember anymore everything that
happened back then, or the rumours or anything. damn if
i had kept some sort of scene diary it wouldnt all be
nice clean memories of golden youth.
melw thats why people should write more partyreports..
Grendel-B some people had their dark side but luckily most were
great fellas and after forgetting the bad things those
times seem now very nice. when scandinavian news maggy
magazines were in their prime time i was helluwa active
writer. knew the parties scene inside out. visited every
party.
melw talking about b-web, isnt that your aim? i mean, gathering
as much as partyreports and such there are, at least from
finnish parties.
Grendel-B gotta be happy i took my time once and wrote the party
history of finnish scene around 1992. that material is
totally awesome today. not that i anymore agree with my
previous self on everything, but it is historically
valuable now. and yes, i hope to collect history of
finnish scene there, as much as possible.
melw yep. ive already read some of those maggy articles, and they
are something... unforgettable.
Grendel-B thing is, not many help me in that. and wellmotivation
is lower when you should do everything yourself, so
theres less incentive to do even that bit. were
planning to move BWeb to own domain. right now we lack
a hard disk. other things should be in place. it will be
put to 100mb backbone, and with plenty own HD space we
can start putting some heavyweight stuff there. like
VCD/MPEG videos from old parties!
btw we need few maggy issues here, if anybody has 1,2,8
then gimme! : with the move BWeb will also be redesigned
so the material is easier to find. after maggy archive i
will start working on the Scandinavian News magazine.
Grabbin those old Finnish scene mags online to www format
is quite the easiest way to offer lots and lots of old
info in the original form :
and of course i keep collecting all kind of old tidbits
to text file, IRC discussions, newsgroup messages,
anything useful so I can drop them to BWeb some day.
This article will be there as well -
maybe BWeb will be the thing I will be remembered for :
Spend my life documenting the Finnish demoscene from c-64
to amiga, pc, wap ja finally to the intelligent machines
that will code demos themselves and then comes solar
storm that wipes all magnetic data. my website included -
melw at least if its still far from complete i havent seen
anything similar anywhere else.
Grendel-B no way complete. i got plenty material waiting for it,
just need time but i dont usually have it. And lots of
things have not been written about at all.
melw i hope youll get those Presentations of any and all Finnish
groups ever, on any platform. and Scenedude directory
online some day as well.
Grendel-B Yup. But imagine what kind of huge work that would be?
That is exactly the problem. but some day, hopefully.
at least the feedback gives some strenght to at least
think about it.
melw but you are also probably one of the few people who can write
about those early groups and people..
Grendel-B there are some others too luckily. if i can find time
myself i might be able to get some data from them as well.
well, maybe after getting the bdomain i can put up a
mailing list and start flooding those people so they will
finally be forced to write just to get me stop flooding :
but first, BWeb domain move redesign. Then, who knows
if I might start that.
melw good luck, anyways. do you have anything more to say about
the subject? i think now it would be good time to quit this
interview.
Grendel-B subject..... err what was the last official subject?
melw well..
Grendel-B something :
melw hey but heres your chance to advertise a bit.
Grendel-B visit BWeb, give money. vote in www.doose.dk.
http://www.byterapers.scene.org and for my second passion,
http://icebreakers.warbirds.org.
if you have any material about finnish scene or would
like to write something, party reports, whatever, you can
contact me through BWeb. Somebody could write a good
article about the early Finnish PC demoscene, that would
be very useful.
melw ok. thank you very much for the interview.
Grendel-B allrite, my pleasure
melw so good night, say hello to valtiatar! :
Grendel-B enjoy life, have fun. will do :
*** Grendel-B has left demojournal Grendel-B
Session Close: Wed Dec 01 01:59:33 1999
! demo !
Superstar DJs by Retro AC party-version
Found at www.scene.org
??th place at Dreamhack99
System requirements:
PII 300, 128 MB RAM but works with 64, 640*480 16bits only.
4 MB HD, and Midas for sound
The demo:
At almost every medium/big party, theres at least one hires
design-demo released, and Superstar DJs was one of those at
Dreamhack. It uses a 640*480 mode, a good thing as it is more
universally supported than 512*384, but only 640*280 is actually
used. Of course weve all standard ingredients: moving vertical
lines in the backgrounds, wireframed and transparent 3D-objects
of the cubical kind, small pics consisting of lines/circles only,
etc.
Something more original are the short, weird messages that show
up everywhere, mostly in scrollers but also hidden in the background,
like This is not official debut release of retro, this is just a
lack of time and transparent LSD or superstar wepopa inside the
internal flex dies. We came to Dreamhack with summertyres :.
editor: just take a guess were those people at charlys car
horrified? :
The effects arent really impressive, with the exception of the
free-direction tunnel, but they are used well. Theres for example
a recursive cube, with the opacity of each level changing sometimes,
or the two knots of lights and vectors that move into each other.
The background-pictures arent really minimal anymore, but hi-res
photos of motherboards, bombs, Japanese temples or some people with
a block-effect over them not moving, maybe a photoshop filter.
The combination with the layers of circle/stripes pictures feels a
bit awkward, but I prefer them to the old lettersnumbers backgrounds.
MD has made the music, as special guest star, so you should all
know the style, remember Moral Hard Candy, Kkowboy the first part
is quite similar to me, etc. The synchronizing mostly objects
suddenly changing angles is always tied to the same drum, which
makes too predictable IMO.
Worth the download ?
Some things I heard before I saw it: Its strange its not in the
top-3, as we are hi Melwyn :, and it should have won from
Mindstammer hands down. CSIPD, dont remember who. Honestly,
I dont think its such a killer. Maybe I cannot judge 100 fairly,
because my PC doesnt have 128 MB RAM, but on the other side
theres this scroller Midas FrameCounter causes illegal pause
during the playbacksession, so maybe it happens everywhere, and
anyway I think this type of demo without videos etc shouldnt
need that much mem to run without freezing. And I hope that the
non-anti-aliased lines have not started their comeback : But of
course its a good design-demo, and though it doesnt reach the
MHC-standard, for people who love these its definitely a must-see.
Seven
! intro !
Viagra by Mewlers
Winner of the 64kb intro competition at Assembly 1999
Credits
Rainmaker: programming
216: programming
Little Bitchard: music
Honeybunny: grapics
Download
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/1999/assembly99/in64/viagrab.zip
Mewlers and MFX is a Finnish group which have been very
active in releasing intros for many years now. They made the
Impact or the Gamma series for example. They have a certain
style, but this does not mean that their intros look similar
to each other. Viagra is their latest work.
The intro consists of five parts. In the first part there is a
yellow jumping, morphing ball. The second part is a small 3d
scene a water surface is visible with an object floating
above it. The water is a waving bumped surface, and even the
object is being reflected in it. The third part starts as an
ordinary 2d bump effect, but it is soon visible that the
surface is moving in 3d. The surface then changes into an UFO
head, and it even casts shadows. Then the texture of the head
changes, and light rays come out of it. The fourth part is a
free directional tunnel effect, with a sphere inside it, which
is giving out rays of light. These lights are cast on the
surface of the tunnel. It is a bit unpleasant that this light
looks as if it were reflected on a spherical surface, while it
is in a tunnel in fact and it also shows the ugly jerky
pixels in the distance. The fifth and last effect is a purple
sphere, which is rolling and moving, while light is coming
out of it.
There are a lot of pictures, shown here-and-there through the
intro. They look ok, but there are no connection among them,
and they are not really related to the intro either.
The music - is strange... It is a loud, raging, noisy
soundtrack. It is probably the worst feature of this intro
sometimes it really gets on ones nerves. In spite of this,
the music and the visuals are kept well together. There are
white flashes, and the effects are following the beat of the
drum.
The best point of this intro is the code. There are lots of
great, new and fast effects. In 1999, most programmers tend to
code the same kind of 3d scene players, and this often results
in very similar demos and intros. It is pleasant to see these
unique effects, like 3d water, bump with shadows, or
lightrays.
Gekko
gk@scene.hu
! music !
Dance To The Drummers Beat
Dharma
www.mono211.com
Fantastic track. Its a sort of funk with perfect drumline,
great leads like saxophone, flute and other fitting instruments,
all recorded live I guess. Flute is played in a bit
experimental form which is often on real-life musicians
and its sound is echoed. Best release under Mono211 label.
Must have!
le petit prince and twixt cup and lip...
falcon
www.tdr.scene.org - tokyo138.zip and tokyo140.zip
How can it be? That many worlds in one, that unique and that
much common. This genius from Poland mixes all styles in the
new form that touches mans soul. Strong basslines, triphop
sounds, soft melodies - its the world itself in its simple
form - youll be surprised, again. Amazing. If you miss it,
you will never understand.
tryhuk
! question !
Question of the week:
Whats your favourite beer?
Karhu
- Virne
Karhu
- Lemming
Karhu
- Distance
editor: pretty repeative, uh?
Id prefer the some of the finnish lagers, like koff,
lapinkulta legenda, olvi cxx, karhu.. maybe as a single
one it would be KOFF IVA
- Droid
I DONT DRINK BEER GODDAMNIT! What are these questions,
for some LAMERS? @42..
- Los
Hoegaarten, but if we talk about real beer, then Karhu.
- Jate
Zipfer from Austria
- Griesse
Augustiner Bru Mnchen
If you dont know it, you have never tasted *real* beer. For
those of you who dont know it: *real* beer Bavarian beer.
Ask Psychic Symphony! The only foreign stuff that can truly
be called beer is Becks, Guinnes and maybe Carlsberg.
- beer/evolve
Pretty much all of them
- kombi
cardinal lager - swiss beer rules!
- Unlock/Vantage/PAiN
humm... for standard drinking in large quantities, Bud and
Superbock portuguese beer are good. for drinking on a
fashionable bar, though, i like powerful belgian beers
such as Bush 12 or irish stout Guiness.
- rents / digital artists
Lappin Kulta
- Makke
foreign: heineken
finnish: sandels
- frodo
carlsberg, tuborg, asahi superdry... random order.
- tmkINFdolphin
karhu and hansa fatl. And polish ococim
- jawskooma
i dont like beer
- Jean Nine / FD Intense Kyoto
saaremaa lu or lapinkulta. its hard to choose.
- kokki
belzebuth not sure if the spelling is right,
its some imported juicy 15 vol. hammer :
- cp/witchcraft
zielony green lech.
- Yarpen/Substance
Castle
- Marius
thats an easy one: De Koninck aka Bolleke
like everybody knows this is not probably but certainly the
best beer in the world and of course its Belgian
http://www.dekoninck.be
- DJefke
guinness
- Ronan
why, Grolsch Herfstbok ofcourse!
- I. Smoltsak
Lapin Kulta 7,5 is good for you !
- exocet/jff
Heineken
- teo . kangoorooexceed
nikolai of course :
- chavez
olvi sandels
- grendel
San Miguel
- David Gil
Guinness. The only beer what I can drink :
- Aries
! quote !
Just in case you wonder what do the people talk about at suomiscene..
lemminG hep
rzb hip
Moku hop
drQ ponks
melw boink
rzb zot
! homepages !
Groups:
3g Design..............................http://3gdesign.cjb.net
Acid Rain..............................http://surf.to/acidrain
Anakata..............................http://www.anakata.art.pl
Astral..............................http://astral.scene-hu.com
Astroidea........................http://astroidea.scene-hu.com
AtomiK....................................http://atomik.ini.hu
Bomb..................................http://bomb.planet-d.net
BlaBla..............................http://blabla.planet-d.net
Blasphemy..............................http://www.blasphemy.dk
Byterapers.....................http://www.byterapers.scene.org
Calodox.................................http://www.calodox.org
Chrome..............................http://chrome.scene-hu.com
Defacto 2..............................http://www.defacto2.net
Dolops......................... ........http://dolOps.scene.hu
Exceed...........................http://www.inf.bme.hu/exceed
Fobia Design...........................http://www.fd.scene.org
GODS...................................http://www.idf.net/gods
Green.....................................http://green.dyns.cx
Grif........................http://arrabonet.gyor.hu/rattgrif
Haujobb......................................http://haujobb.de
Hellcore............................http://www.hellcore.art.pl
IJSKAST.............................http://www.ijskast.cjb.net
Immortals..............................http://imrt.home.ml.org
Infuse...................................http://www.infuse.org
Just For Fun...........................http://jff.planet-d.net
Kilobite...............................http://kilobite.cjb.net
Kolor................................http://www.kaoz.org/kolor
Kooma.....................................http://www.kooma.com
Label zero.........................http://labelzero.pganet.com
Mandula.........................http://www.inf.bme.hu/mandula
Monar................ftp://amber.bti.pl/pub/scene/distro/monar
Noice.....................................http://www.noice.org
Orion..............................http://orion.arfstudios.org
Quad........................................http://www.quad.nl
Rage........................................http://www.rage.nu
Replay.......................http://www.shine.scene.org/replay
Rhyme................................http://rhyme.scene-hu.com
Skytech team............................http://www.skytech.org
Sunflower.......................http://sunflower.opengl.org.pl
Suspend......................http://www.optimus.wroc.pl/rappid
Tehdas...................................http://come.to/tehdas
Tesko..........................http://www.scentral.demon.co.uk
The Black Lotus.............................http://www.tbl.org
The Digital Artists Wired Nation.http://digitalartists.cjb.net
The Lost Souls...............................http://www.tls.no
TPOLM.....................................http://www.tpolm.com
Trauma.................................http://sauna.net/trauma
T-Rex.....................................http://www.t-rex.org
Universe..........................http://universe.planet-d.net
Vantage.........................http://www.profzone.ch/vantage
Music:
Aisth.....................................http://www.aisth.com
Blacktron Music Production...........http://www.d-zign.com/bmp
Chill..........................http://www.bentdesign.com/chill
Chiptune...............................http://www.chiptune.com
Da Jormas................................http://www.jormas.com
Five Musicians.........................http://www.fm.scene.org
Fridge...........................http://www.ssmedion.de/fridge
Ignorance.............................http://www.ignorance.org
Intense...........................http://intense.ignorance.org
Jecoute.................................http://jecoute.cjb.net
Kosmic Free Music Foundation.............http://www.kosmic.org
Level-d.................................http://www.level-d.com
Milk.......................................http://milk.sgic.fi
Mah Music.............................http://come.to/mah.music
Maniacs of noise...............http://home.worldonline.nl/mon
MAZs Sound homepage.............http://www.th-zwickau.de/maz
Moplayaz..........................http://ssmedion.de/moplayaz
Mono211.................................http://www.mono211.com
Morbid Minds..............http://www.raveordie.com/morbidminds
Noise................................http://www.noisemusic.org
One Touch Records......................http://otr.planet-d.net
Radical Rhythms.....http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/merrelli/rr
RBi Music.............................htpp://www.rbi-music.com
Ruff Engine................http://members.xoom.com/ruffengine
Sound Devotion................http://sugarbomb.x2o.net/soundev
Soundstate.........................http://listen.to/soundstate
Sunlikamelo-D...........http://www.error-404.com/sunlikamelo-d
Suspect Records........................http://www.tande.com/sr
Tequila........................http://www.defacto2.net/tequila
Tempo................................http://tempomusic.cjb.net
Theralite...........................http://theralite.avalon.hr
Tokyo Dawn Records........................http://tdr.scene.org
UltraBeat.........................http://www.innerverse.com/ub
Vibrants................................http://www.vibrants.dk
People:
3d addict...................http://users.cybercity.dk/bcc5877
Anders Akerheden...............http://hem.passagen.se/andersak
Ari..............................http://www.primenet.com/arie
Attack..............................http://attack.planet-d.net
Balrog.........................http://www.mds.mdh.se/mek98adl
Carlos..............................http://www.nexus.hu/carlos
!Cube......................http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/tlonnber
Dave.............................http://www.come.to/davecorner
DaVinci.................................http://davinci.ice.org
Echo................................http://www.kki.net.pl/echo
Exocet..........................http://jff.planet-d.net/exocet
Flan.............................http://www.error-404.com/flan
Gardner................................http://www.gardner.z.pl
Grabule........................http://members.xoom.com/grabule
Hunz............................http://www.globec.com.au/hunz
HP........................................http://hp.pardey.org
Inferno............................http://inferno.planet-d.net
Jean Nine....................................http://j9.cjb.net
Jimsendu............................http://home.sol.no/ojakobs
Jupiter....................http://members.xoom.com/JupiterCode
Leviathan....................http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/ajcarlso
Los........................http://www.angelfire.com/in/miku305
Mephisto.............................http://www.chez.com/shiva
Mystical................................http://www.mystical.dk
Nekrite.....................................http://move.to/ap0
Nico....................................http://geecs.org/nico
Nino...................http://www.saunalahti.fi/kuusnie/tapsa
Nogsf..............................http://www.saers.com/nogsf
Pow.................................http://home.sol.no/tskara
Rents................................http://newdigital.tsx.org
Rez.................................http://reeeeez.citeweb.net
Rod.................................http://www.inf.bme.hu/rod
Scorpik............................http://scorpik.planet-d.net
Shodan...............................http://shodan.skytech.org
Skal..................................http://skal.planet-d.net
Skaven..........................http://isis.yok.utu.fi/skaven
Sol..................................http://www.icon.fi/solar
Spell.........................http://www.ThePentagon.com/Spell
Splif..............................http://splif.aegis-corp.org
Szoke......................................http://szoke.ini.hu
TheREW..............................http://home.wxs.nl/therew
Traven..............................http://traven.planet-d.net
TS................................http://www2.hawaii.edu/myee
Tuo.....................................http://tuo.skytech.org
Unlock...........................http://www.profzone.ch/unlock
Vivid..................................http://vivid.kosmic.org
Wain.............http://zevs.ifi.ntnu.no/frankwer/gfx/gfx.htm
Warder...............................http://www.dlc.fi/warder
Willbe...................................http://willbe.cjb.net
Yannis...........................http://www.zip.com.au/yannis
Zden....................................http://message.sk/zden
Others:
Arf!Studios..........................http://www.arfstudios.org
Calodox demolinks exchange.....http://calodox.planet-d.net/cde
coders..................................http://coderz.cjb.net
Comic Pirates.........................http://scene-central.com
Demo fanclub........................http://jerware.org/fanclub
Digital Undergrounds.....................http://dug.iscool.net
Doose charts...............................http://www.doose.dk
Dreams2 CD.........................http://nl.scene.org/dreams2
Freax...................http://freax.scene-hu.com/mainmenu.htm
GfxZone.................................http://www.gfxzone.org
Hugi size-compo...............http://home.pages.de/hugi-compo
Orange Juice.........................http://ojuice.citeweb.net
PC-demos explained.....http://www.oldskool.org/demos/explained
Pixel...................................http://pixel.scene.org
Scenet....................................http://www.scenet.de
Sunray..............................http://sunray.planet-d.net
Swiss......................http://www.profzone.ch/vantage/list
TakeOver................................http://www.takeover.nl
Textmode Demo Archive.................http://tmda.planet-d.net
Hungarian scene page...................http://www.scene-hu.com
Trebel...................................http://www.trebel.org
Zen of Tracking.........................http://surf.to/the-imm
Diskmags:
Amber...............................http://amber.bti.pl/dimag
Amnesia...............http://amnesia-dist.future.easyspace.com
Demojournal....................http://demojournal.planet-d.net
Fleur................................http://fleur.scene-hu.com
Heroin...................................http://www.heroin.net
Hugi........................http://home.pages.de/hugidownload
Pain........................,,,,,,....http://pain.planet-d.net
Static Line......................http://www.ic.l7.net/statline
Total Disaster...................http://www.totaldisaster.w.pl
TUHB.......................................http://www.tuhb.org
Ftps:
Amber.......................................ftp://amber.bti.pl
Cyberbox.....................................ftp://cyberbox.de
Flerp............new files listed.......ftp://flerp.scene.hu
Scene.org........new files listed........ftp://ftp.scene.org
Skynet archive.................ftp://acid2.stack.nl/pub/skynet
ACiD2 Archive.............................ftp://acid2.stack.nl
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