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This week I'm continuing with the suomiscene theme with an interview with Grendel. Otherwise it has been quite, seems like nothing is happening since everybody are waiting for The Party. Well, looks like Carlsberg is still probably the best beer in the world. Enjoy the issue! Melwyn ?------------------------------------------------------------------- -- - - !====:] demonews [:============================================================ :---------------------------------------------------------------- -- - - newsREPLAY: Replay has released shineRETRO! It includes articles, charts, interviews, partyreports and results from Shine issues 1-5. Deadline for Shine #6 is 15.12. You can send articles to balo@home.se Whisker had a haircut. Return of the Stage Nine has been released. This sequel to the famous musicdisk Stage9 is quite huge compilation (almost 300 Mb's if you download the music as MP3) of well known scene musicians tunes. Check it out at http://www.polpo.org/rts9/ TG organizers had a little setback: "Oooops. We upgraded the server during the weekend and managed to fry our root-disk in the process. There is however a good chance that we can salvage the data if we get our hands on an identical drive. So, if anybody has a Seagate Hawk1 ST11200N 1.05GB SCSI harddrive, please contact us ASAP." But later on they arranged a design compo for the new web pages... If you're interested in getting two free tickets to TG00, take a look the compo rules at http://www.gathering.org gODS have released GAudio v1.01: The new version of the audio library manager has some new features and bugfixes, like improved MOD & XM class, wavemapper support for RAW/WAV/MP3 and NT 4.0 compatibility. You can find GAudio at: http://www.flipcode.com http://www.idf.net/gods http://www.programmersheaven.com ?------------------------------------------------------------------- -- - - !====:] party on! 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I've mostly been listening to Squarepusher (thanks, Distance). =====! interview !============================================================= Session Start: Tue Nov 30 20:39:46 1999 *** Now talking in #demojournal *** Grendel-B has joined #demojournal good evening, grendel. to you too let's begin this interview with 'the usual' questions. like who you are and what do you do? im one of the original founding members in byterapers, still somehow hanging around and well, my activities arent that big anymore. some organizing and mainly keeping up the (B) web pages when i got the time. generally i still make the decisions in the group, though these days i tend to be soft and ask other's opinions too. in real life, a computer journalist. it has been quite silent on the (b) front for some time. you haven't released anything after sexadelic... nope, its been little bits of this and that going on but currently there is no serious ongoing plan for demo. this hopefully will change after we again get our mailing lists up and running. our previous mailing lists were very active with ideas and i think we were gearing up for a good project, but after the mailing lists got dropped (one guy moved->lost access to certain machine) things quieted down drastically. to say the truth, well we almost released a demo last spring. at the gathering? some crap things happened though and we didnt get it out. uh, if im not wrong things screwed up twice. first demo was about to be released in TP and it would have been finished, then the designer's machine crashed and he could not finish the demo. actually i dont think many of us have even seen that particular demo, the damn guy refuses to show it to us :) it was again attempted for TG, no luck, and the 2nd (!) TG demo (that was/is my particular pet project) was dropped as the other designer got into really bad booze addiction + crashed his machine, too. dung. bad booze addiction=way worse than average Byteraper booze consumption. that is a lot. haha. ok, you were one of the founding members of (b). this happened in 1986, right? so it was. how was scene back then? or was there any kind of scene at all? not really. the -finnish- scene started to take form during 87. there were scattered small groups, teams or dudes here and there, and during the middle/late 86 they started to find each other then during 87 they started to have more communication, swapping, even actively starting to produce intros and demos. i would claim, from my memory, that the "real" scene started to exist in middle 87, things were very nicely in late 87 and the jezebels/fig party in dec 1987 gave one mighty boost the first party in finland, everyone seeing each other for the first time, was big fun, many friendships made that last even today. you can still see some of them visiting #suomiscene :) like you. :) in 88 scene existed then in the way we today see, just still growing. lots of youthful anger, big words, flame wars, competition and racing to be the best. funny to think how it was so normal then ;-) sounds fun. there's no real wars anymore between groups. :) federations against whatever group that someone was angry with lots of competition etc but always real fun to meet and talk crap with them :) except the one time Conan/Stack came to me threatening me "you have talked crap about Stack" me "nononoo what nnonooo" and later managed to find out he had slightly misunderstood something zados had said. Conan was, err, just like you might imagine from the name :) :) in a way demoscene has been a lot more serious during all these years. like nobody releases demos anymore just for fun etc. aaaa quite true. big parties do that. money to be made. why release demo you've worked hard for long time just for "fun" when you might make few bucks or something from it. i can understand that. still would be nice to see things happen differently too. yep. but on the other hand why not to make smaller and perhaps funnier demos for own pleasure.. well, perhaps some people do so, they just wont release them to the public. its all up to the coders though. without one no demos. i cant force anybody, not even in (B) :) got a screwy idea few days ago but that would require a lot of work still :) about byterapers, what demo of yours you like the most? um, its one of the c64 ones. extremes. i was so bloody amazed in assembly 95 when i saw it first time from the bigscreen. it was finished just before guys hopped to the last possible train to get into asm95 before c64 democompo. oh yes. i remember it, too. like i had to watch it mouth wide open and think how it had all the same effects as pc demos had back then. :) so nobody else had yet seen it. it had fantastic code gfx and music but most of all, i was totally and thoroughly amazed at the design. as i remember saying there "what the fuck? a byterapers demo with design?" everything else i could understand but that our demo had real design and good look, that was new :) from our amiga products in like most The Beginning, by JTP. when was it released? It had a story. I actually managed to be poetic once in my life. Released 12.08.1990. I think it is our best demo ever content wise, though the programming wasnt the best, it was JTP's 2nd release on Amiga. Largely neglected demo because people only notice the engine, not the story :( perhaps i should see it. i must admit i don't remember any byterapers demo on amiga.. on PC Hyperventilation and Sexa of course, though I hope our PC demo would one day have decent music you don't like yolk&legend style? :) i am oldskool man. i like musics that have melodies :) and not just some woowuupaapuu sounds that are tied together with something remotely sounding like music and beat :) ooooo gotta correct, hyper has great music but that is of course the Abba style ;-) *** Grendel-B has left #demojournal (Grendel-B) Session Close: Tue Nov 30 21:26:33 1999 Session Start: Tue Nov 30 23:44:39 1999 *** Now talking in #demojournal *** Grendel-B has joined #demojournal ok, back to business. let's forget scene for a while. this pause was held because of those damn tv series. what are your favourite ones? aha. lets peek inside grendels head session? :) babylon 5, liked earlier x-files, simpsons, futurama, space: above & beyond, hale & pace... monty python ! :) scifi & humour preferred. and some of the rare stuff like The State & Kenny Everett :) oooooo and never must forget Battlestar Galactiga - it ruuules, RUUUULES oh yeah. galactiga. i was almost ten years old when they showed it on the tv. :) what about other favourites.. like food and drinks? iimpossible to into details. almost everything goes down on the foodside, coffee addict & olvi sandels as preferred beer. i dont consumed the heavy stuffs normally, only in special circumstances like different parties where guys bring barrelloads of self made stuffs. Der Alte Flakpanzeroil is definitely the fab thing on the hard booze sector :) our aviation circle's invention. flakpanzeroil? sounds wicked. :) it has dropped people from all over the globe ;-) Der alte Flakpanzer hochleistungsmotor”l (vollsyntetisch) thats the official line ;-) i guess german readers of demojournal will get something out this... finns know the mild version as salmiakkikossu but this is beefed way up and is a killer drink. the german or other readers should get it is they are aviation freaks :) hey now i'll do a short one-word question part. answer as quickly you can about whatever pops into your mind from following words: salmiakki haha kossu [editor: salmiakki is sal ammoniac - in which finnish people are often mad about. and kossu aka koskenkorva is finnish strong booze. mixing these two indegrients you get a somewhat abnormal experience...] beautiful woman valtiatar ;-) [editor: galaksin valtiatar / hirmu] aars party a real oldskool guy moku zero tolerance guards guards hmm.. abba pffffffft. hyperventilation of course aaaand mr.sex madmancoder (damn. i was hoping that king of the puke :) havent seemhim puking for some time, hes coding instead elsewhere :) you have any funny (b) stories about mr.sex or any other rapers? aw, theres dozens of stories but the problem is that they usually surface only when we're having a meeting and theres no recorder or paper around. hmm. i remember you're often having this little notebook with you at the parties, don't you use it at (b) meetings? :) many stories in the (B) pages, bunch of little notes here and there with material that i havent yet written to web or anywhere. usually when those stories start surfacing im not the condition to write them up :) hehe. i think i ONCE wrote some 5 pages of stuff in one such meeting. later i had to bring those notes with me to some other, more sober, meeting and ask people to decipher the hieroglyfs. i have horrible handwriting. it has gotten even worse from all these years of typing on keyboard. and its more or less unreadable when i write much text as fast as possible, trying to keep up with the talking :) you should have a pocket computer where to write such things. tho' i guess it's not guaranteed to write with such toys any clearer text... videocamera on a stand might do the trick :) once when i came back from bar with birra/(B) i got this fantastic urge to log into net and check email and write an email to one person. notice this was when i had to dial from terminal program, log manually and use unix shell. i managed to get as far as into the email program, then could not write anything sensible. it took real long to get out of the email program, fingers just kept slipping. finally i was back in unix prompt, tyring to type "exit". finally i even tried "one finger, other hand supports the finger hand" and still didnt manage it. birra proves this :) so notebook to a party? HAH no way. somebody would anyway take it to sauna. well maybe it is time to return to the demoscene subject after this little trip into the boozeland? ok. we've talked quite much about byterapers but what about the other groups. do you have any favourites among them? not really. im not actively these days following the scene happenings. what's the latest demo you've watched, then? i hear stuff, read stuff but not that much INTO them. i more follow certain people, my friends, their actions and listen to their suggestions, opinions and form some kind of images from them demo.... demo.... im afraid i cant even remember the names... things quieted down a lot when most of the scenepeople moved away from my previous hometown and so the scene/demo activity went down way big. we had good people there, byterapers & doomsday folks, and had very good time and exchanged demo information and watched demos etc but when most moved, no more that fun scenestuff :( well, at least i can remember i was watching the demo competition at the last gathering with you and virne but i don't remember anything from that competition itself. :) oh yeah, i definitely saw something in TG. and assembly :) oh maan, watching demos in parties some years ago way much funnier than these days. We gathered in big groups and yelled to the big screen if we didnt like what we saw PASKAAAAAAAA! PASKAAAAAAAAAAA! KUUUTIOOOOOOOOO! [editor: SHIIIIIT! CRAAAAAP! CUUUUUUBE!] and then commented in very high noice level if the demo or idea or something was good, too :) interactive eh. i think the assembly 92 c-64 competition and assembly 94 (in the ice hockey hall) compos were best, from our watcher's view :) you mean there was a lot of to comment or.. not that i remember anything about asm94 amiga compo. was told later when watching demos "we saw that" and sometimes even remotely recognizing something. lots to comment and very fun otherwise too. asm92 c-64 compo is very possibly the most chaotic democompetition even. the auditorium room was so small that we would only allow c64 scenepeople in. there was no air conditioning, windows could not be opened.. deadbeat/sharks released the first c-64 demo ever that was fully non-interactive = the demo proceeded on its own pace, until that all demos has parts and you skipped to the next by pressing space bar. this loaded in background and showed the part as long as it went on. well deadbeat had slightly miscalculated the times different parts took. "this is good lenght" style when everything proceeded in fact bloody slow. oh maaan what riot, the yelling, the commenting... in the backrow were bunch swedes who didnt understand my expnalations "you cant press space" until somebody told me to tell it in english. well did that. they were quiet 10 seconds and then practically burst shouting to the demo and then everybody, whole room joined in and finally we yelled even to the parts loader to skip to next part. and did this for the rest of the compo. man. fun. chaos. riot. sweaty. hot. definitely fantastic demo competition ;-) its been our guideline since. but these days stupid people actually start "shhhhhhh be quiet you must not make noises during demos" hahaha. that must've been nice party! which reminds me i haven't asked your favourite party yet.. fav party. well. bloody likely not any of those i arranged. working not fun. (B) voodoo party in 1989 very likely the ehm... best remembered. cant really say. the party bustrips have always been very.... thepartylike :) ive always had good time in assemblys. Juhla II, 3.14 & IVb were very fun. but i would say that maybe my trip to Denmark in 1989 was the best, gotta check what it was, moment. Ikari & Dominators & Zargon, Slagelse Denmark, 23-25.03.1989. yeah. people still remind me from that one. few people have jumped up suddenly on IRC this year asking "remember me? we met at slagelse" and then they start telling how drunk i was. oh maaan! they sold beer in the partyplace! and it was denmark. cheap beer. hell first time for me in denmark, you can imagine. finally i even exchanged finnish money to dks in pubs to get more booze :) oh yeah here: Grendel: at the Warfalcons/Bamiga Sector 1 party in 1989 in Denmark (when IK+ for AMIGA was released), you were EXTREMELY drunk, and we all didn't like you that much :-) remember ? from the GOOD old days, you're one of a few I remember. i'd say you were one of the first to have a 'personality' - part of the reason is you were known as "booze boy" or similar, but when it comes down to it, because you were yourself, at parties, when we got to see you. one of the first to drop his mask, and be himself - so to speak. well - I hope to see you some day again, it will trigger something. now i'm laughing! krhm. he also says some less positive things from the party itself about me, which i really cannot remember :) but i have some 12 hours long black hole in my memory too :) those poor fairlight guys had problems to decide to whos car i would be stuffed :) partysmell. I've changed a lot since those days :) i even go to shower in the partyplace :) one thing that made me think in rambones' message was that people really had masks in their scenething. scenepersonality + real life person were sometimes very different. on the other hand i have, mostly at least, been just myself. just keeping some distance between hobby & profession. that's the way it should be. people can't become real friends if their having something like 'differend scenepersonality'. most people i know these days are themselves,thats a good thing, one detail where scene has progressed. it is a good thing i cannot remember anymore everything that happened back then, or the rumours or anything. damn if i had kept some sort of scene diary it wouldnt all be nice & clean memories of golden youth. that's why people should write more partyreports.. some people had their "dark side" but luckily most were great fellas and after forgetting the bad things those times seem now very nice. when scandinavian news & maggy magazines were in their prime time i was helluwa active writer. knew the parties & scene inside out. visited every party. talking about (b)-web, isn't that your aim? i mean, gathering as much as partyreports and such there are, at least from finnish parties. gotta be happy i took my time once and wrote the party history of finnish scene around 1992. that material is totally awesome today. not that i anymore agree with my previous self on everything, but it is historically valuable now. and yes, i hope to collect history of finnish scene there, as much as possible. yep. i've already read some of those maggy articles, and they are something... unforgettable. thing is, not many help me in that. and wellmotivation is lower when you should do everything yourself, so there's less incentive to do even that bit. we're planning to move (B)Web to own domain. right now we lack a hard disk. other things should be in place. it will be put to 100mb backbone, and with plenty own HD space we can start putting some heavyweight stuff there. like VCD/MPEG videos from old parties! btw we need few maggy issues here, if anybody has 1,2,8 then gimme! :) with the move (B)Web will also be redesigned so the material is easier to find. after maggy archive i will start working on the Scandinavian News magazine. Grabbin those old Finnish scene mags online to www format is quite the easiest way to offer lots and lots of old info in the original form :) and of course i keep collecting all kind of old tidbits to text file, IRC discussions, newsgroup messages, anything useful so I can drop them to (B)Web some day. This article will be there as well ;-) maybe (B)Web will be the thing I will be remembered for :) Spend my life documenting the Finnish demoscene from c-64 to amiga, pc, wap ja finally to the intelligent machines that will code demos themselves and then comes solar storm that wipes all magnetic data. my website included ;-) at least if it's still far from complete i haven't seen anything similar anywhere else. no way complete. i got plenty material waiting for it, just need time but i dont usually have it. And lots of things have not been written about at all. i hope you'll get those "Presentations of any and all Finnish groups ever, on any platform." and "Scenedude directory" online some day as well. Yup. But imagine what kind of huge work that would be? That is exactly the problem. but some day, hopefully. at least the feedback gives some strenght to at least think about it. but you are also probably one of the few people who can write about those early groups and people.. there are some others too luckily. if i can find time myself i might be able to get some data from them as well. well, maybe after getting the bdomain i can put up a mailing list and start flooding those people so they will finally be forced to write just to get me stop flooding :) but first, (B)Web domain move & redesign. Then, who knows if I might start that. good luck, anyways. do you have anything more to say about the subject? i think now it would be good time to quit this interview. subject..... err what was the last official subject? well.. something :) hey but here's your chance to advertise a bit. visit (B)Web, give money. vote in www.doose.dk. http://www.byterapers.scene.org and for my second passion, http://icebreakers.warbirds.org. if you have any material about finnish scene or would like to write something, party reports, whatever, you can contact me through (B)Web. Somebody could write a good article about the early Finnish PC demoscene, that would be very useful. ok. thank you very much for the interview. allrite, my pleasure so good night, say hello to valtiatar! :) enjoy life, have fun. will do :) *** Grendel-B has left #demojournal (Grendel-B) Session Close: Wed Dec 01 01:59:33 1999 =====! demo !================================================================== Superstar DJ's by Retro AC (party-version) Found at www.scene.org ??th place at Dreamhack'99 System requirements: PII 300, 128 MB RAM (but works with 64), 640*480 16bits only. 4 MB HD, and Midas for sound The demo: At almost every medium/big party, there's at least one hires design-demo released, and Superstar DJ's was one of those at Dreamhack. It uses a 640*480 mode, a good thing as it is more universally supported than 512*384, but only 640*280 is actually used. Of course we've all standard ingredients: moving vertical lines in the backgrounds, wireframed and transparent 3D-objects of the cubical kind, small pics consisting of lines/circles only, etc. Something more original are the short, weird messages that show up everywhere, mostly in scrollers but also hidden in the background, like "This is not official debut release of retro, this is just a lack of time and transparent LSD" or "superstar wepopa inside the internal flex dies. We came to Dreamhack with summertyres" :). [editor: just take a guess were those people at charly's car horrified? :)] The effects aren't really impressive, with the exception of the free-direction tunnel, but they are used well. There's for example a recursive cube, with the opacity of each level changing sometimes, or the two knots of lights and vectors that move into each other. The background-pictures aren't really minimal anymore, but hi-res photos of motherboards, bombs, Japanese temples or some people with a block-effect over them (not moving, maybe a photoshop filter). The combination with the layers of circle/stripes pictures feels a bit awkward, but I prefer them to the old letters&numbers backgrounds. MD has made the music, as special guest star, so you should all know the style, remember Moral Hard Candy, Kkowboy (the first part is quite similar to me), etc. The synchronizing (mostly objects suddenly changing angles) is always tied to the same drum, which makes too predictable IMO. Worth the download ? Some things I heard before I saw it: "It's strange it's not in the top-3, as we are" (hi Melwyn :)), and "it should have won from Mindstammer hands down." (CSIPD, don't remember who). Honestly, I don't think it's such a killer. Maybe I cannot judge 100% fairly, because my PC doesn't have 128 MB RAM, but on the other side there's this scroller "Midas FrameCounter causes illegal pause during the playbacksession", so maybe it happens everywhere, and anyway I think this type of demo (without videos etc) shouldn't need that much mem to run without freezing. And I hope that the non-anti-aliased lines have not started their comeback :) But of course it's a good design-demo, and though it doesn't reach the MHC-standard, for people who love these it's definitely a must-see. Seven =====! intro !================================================================= Viagra by Mewlers Winner of the 64kb intro competition at Assembly 1999 Credits Rainmaker: programming 216: programming Little Bitchard: music Honeybunny: grapics Download ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/1999/assembly99/in64/viagra_b.zip Mewlers (and MFX) is a Finnish group which have been very active in releasing intros for many years now. They made the Impact or the Gamma series for example. They have a certain style, but this does not mean that their intros look similar to each other. Viagra is their latest work. The intro consists of five parts. In the first part there is a yellow jumping, morphing ball. The second part is a small 3d scene; a water surface is visible with an object floating above it. The water is a waving bumped surface, and even the object is being reflected in it. The third part starts as an ordinary 2d bump effect, but it is soon visible that the surface is moving in 3d. The surface then changes into an UFO head, and it even casts shadows. Then the texture of the head changes, and light rays come out of it. The fourth part is a free directional tunnel effect, with a sphere inside it, which is giving out rays of light. These lights are cast on the surface of the tunnel. It is a bit unpleasant that this light looks as if it were reflected on a spherical surface, while it is in a tunnel in fact; and it also shows the ugly jerky pixels in the distance. The fifth and last effect is a purple sphere, which is rolling and moving, while light is coming out of it. There are a lot of pictures, shown here-and-there through the intro. They look ok, but there are no connection among them, and they are not really related to the intro either. The music - is strange... It is a loud, raging, noisy soundtrack. It is probably the worst feature of this intro; sometimes it really gets on one's nerves. In spite of this, the music and the visuals are kept well together. There are white flashes, and the effects are following the beat of the drum. The best point of this intro is the code. There are lots of great, new and fast effects. In 1999, most programmers tend to code the same kind of 3d scene players, and this often results in very similar demos and intros. It is pleasant to see these unique effects, like 3d water, bump with shadows, or lightrays. Gekko gk@scene.hu =====! music !================================================================= "Dance To The Drummer's Beat" Dharma www.mono211.com Fantastic track. It's a sort of funk with perfect drumline, great leads like saxophone, flute and other fitting instruments, all recorded live (I guess). Flute is played in a bit experimental form which is often on real-life musicians and it's sound is echoed. Best release under Mono211 label. Must have! "le petit prince" and "'twixt cup and lip..." falcon www.tdr.scene.org -> tokyo138.zip and tokyo140.zip How can it be? That many worlds in one, that unique and that much common. This genius from Poland mixes all styles in the new form that touches man's soul. Strong basslines, triphop sounds, soft melodies - it's the world itself in it's simple form - you'll be surprised, again. Amazing. If you miss it, you will never understand. tryhuk =====! question !============================================================== Question of the week: What's your favourite beer? Karhu - Virne Karhu - Lemming Karhu - Distance [editor: pretty repeative, uh?] I'd prefer the some of the finnish lagers, like koff, lapinkulta legenda, olvi cxx, karhu.. maybe as a single one it would be KOFF IVA - Droid I DON'T DRINK BEER GODDAMNIT! What are these questions, for some LAMERS? @£${[€}£42.. - Los Hoegaarten, but if we talk about real beer, then Karhu. - Jate Zipfer (from Austria) - Griesse Augustiner Br„u Mnchen (If you don't know it, you have never tasted *real* beer. For those of you who don't know it: *real* beer == Bavarian beer. Ask Psychic Symphony!) The only foreign stuff that can truly be called "beer" is Becks, Guinnes and maybe Carlsberg. - beer/evolve Pretty much all of them - kombi cardinal lager - swiss beer rules! - Unlock/Vantage/PAiN humm... for standard drinking in large quantities, Bud and Superbock (portuguese beer) are good. for drinking on a fashionable bar, though, i like powerful belgian beers such as Bush 12º or irish stout (Guiness). - rents / digital artists Lappin Kulta - Makke foreign: heineken finnish: sandels - frodo carlsberg, tuborg, asahi superdry... (random order). - tmkINF^dolphin karhu and hansa fatøl. And polish ococim - jaws^kooma i don't like beer - Jean Nine / FD ^ Intense ^ Kyoto saaremaa ”lu or lapinkulta. it's hard to choose. - kokki belzebuth (not sure if the spelling is right, its some imported juicy 15% vol. hammer :)) - cp/witchcraft zielony (green) lech. - Yarpen/Substance Castle - Marius that's an easy one: 'De Koninck' aka 'Bolleke' like everybody knows this is not probably but certainly the best beer in the world (and of course it's Belgian) http://www.dekoninck.be - DJefke guinness - Ronan why, Grolsch Herfstbok ofcourse! - I. Smoltsak Lapin Kulta 7,5% is good for you ! - exocet/jff Heineken - teo . kangooroo^exceed nikolai of course :) - chavez olvi sandels - grendel San Miguel - David Gil Guinness. The only beer what I can drink :) - Aries =====! quote !================================================================= Just in case you wonder what do the people talk about at #suomiscene.. hep hip hop ponks boink zot =====! homepages !============================================================= Groups: 3g Design..............................http://3gdesign.cjb.net Acid Rain..............................http://surf.to/acidrain Anakata..............................http://www.anakata.art.pl Astral..............................http://astral.scene-hu.com Astroidea........................http://astroidea.scene-hu.com AtomiK....................................http://atomik.ini.hu Bomb..................................http://bomb.planet-d.net BlaBla..............................http://blabla.planet-d.net Blasphemy..............................http://www.blasphemy.dk Byterapers.....................http://www.byterapers.scene.org 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