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'few years later, i'm down with pascal. then visual basic. then delphi. then c. i don't want to write my whole history with computers in here and i'm sure you didn't open up this text file to read that. so i'll get down to busi- ness. info::the whole kit and caboodle -------------------------------- what do i know about c? personally, not really much. i'm not comfortable with using it, either. well... maybe a bit comfortable, but not entirely so. the knowledge i do have from it comes from my friend grem, who's an visio- nary in his own right. i haven't seen any of his code yet, aside from mpl scripts, but his ideas and finished shit are just damning. he comes from a linux/windows background, and has experience with program- ming in both platforms. my knowledge comes from his posts. from personal conversations. a general gist of his personality. in one such post, he spoke of problems with linux, and not only about shit in programming, but the general gist of the linux "community". but i like the part of the programming shit the most, so we'll focus there. he related problems about programming gui style. how the "opensource hip- pies" tend to mislead you about several important things, like, what their definition of the word "works" is, or how much gtk+ sucks. in my perl programming book, the author noted how porting c code even bet- ween flavors of unix is an art, that not many people have the patience nor skill to do full time. how it's tedious, difficult and time consuming. and all this from a programming language that has been thought of as -the- portable programming language to use. pascal and its programmers have been the target of ridicule and pestering for years. decades even. but look at where it is right now. pascal is a great alternative to c, and delphi as a viable alternative to c++. but what about portability, you say? what about it? pascal compilers, debuggers and whatnots for other platforms have been a- vailable for almost forever. i'd dare say that for every platform c code can be compiled on, there's a corresponding pascal compiler. and for gui apps... kylix and delphi are an unbeatable pair. write your code in windows, refrain from windows api bullshit, save, send to a linux buddy, compile in kylix and you're done for the day. unfortunately, that's not something you could say for something in c. don't get me wrong -- i love pascal and i love c too. pascal is my food. i may study c, dream c, sin in c and jack off to c, but pascal i count on pascal for my daily nutrition. c is a very terse language. i love its minimalism; being fairly minima- listic myself, i could certainly appreciate it. but i wouldn't use it in my big projects. i'd use it for my fun shit, but you won't see me with c in things i have to deliver semi-working in a week. pascal certainly has its pitfalls -- what they are i don't know, but it's plain ridiculous to say a language doesn't have any. c has them too. at the end of the day, it's all about using the language you're comforta- ble with, not with what eats (grem likes quiche's; and i don't know what they are), or if one's macho, but it's with what one likes to use.