--- shutup draw ---
an extension of polymorphs tum comment
here it is people... this is it.. this is all i am going to say... SHUT UP
DRAW! it aint
about who is in the best group or who has more ops... it aint about who runs linux and who
runs 95... it aint about who uses creed and who uses hamster.. its all about
art! its all
about who likes to draw... so what if you arent good.. alot of the best artists out there
sucked when they first started.. take a look at some early trank packs, or the
first acid, ice
cia ace paks.. these people sucked.. they were good for their time, yes.. but time moves on
and so does talent.. experience.. draw.. just draw.. thats it.. here are some texts that i
have found in one place or another and i thought they would be appropriate for this time we are
going through in the scene.. as well as good for this release... see, no one thought purg was
ever going to make it past 3 months.. when we got to a year, our art still wasnt the best, but
we were getting known... not popular, there is a difference.. we were becoming known in the
scene as, ah, purg.. no other way to put it.. we werent like the hardcore group that knew how
to whoop ass.. we were just purg.. 2 years later, here we are.. why? because we draw!
One day, evile and i started chatting about what it would take for the scene to thrive again.
We came upon the conclusion that it would take a scene-wide revolution in the direction of the
future, not wallowing in nostalgia like the majority of you people do. Check it out...
EvilE who are you doing art for these days?
bedlam technically im still an acid member
EvilE I havent talked to you since mOp days
bedlam though 99 of my art is web- or music-related
EvilE dood...you like the way the scene is now compared to the way it was?
bedlam the ansi scene?
EvilE yeah
bedlam well, im not in the scene really anymore so i cant say.. but if i were to venture a guess, id have to say what ansi
scene
EvilE yeah...seriously....It used to be pretty cool...I do nothing at work all day so I go on irc..and these ppl are like brain
dead or something
EvilE weak scene compared to the way it was
bedlam basically
bedlam only reason i hang around is cuz i know people
bedlam if i had other channels where i knew people and could talk about stuff, i woudlnt come in ansi
EvilE yeah...same here...I know the old ppl....dont know most the new names
EvilE hahah true...same here...but, that is the only place I went in the day
EvilE The only reason me and Bay restarted DVS is to maybe get some kinda interest going.
bedlam wont work
bedlam for one simple reason
bedlam not enough new blood
bedlam the scene is on its way out
bedlam so unless a whole lot of like minded people can get some interest going
bedlam in the REAL world, not just in the scene
bedlam its done
EvilE yeah...I wanna restart that...try
bedlam i mean, i dont see ANSI as being interesting to anyone else
bedlam it doesnt even have potential
bedlam only those who still BBS frequently would find it interesting
bedlam and there are so few of those people now
bedlam people gotta realize that you cant hold on to ansi for nostalgia and expect it to thrive any more than you can expect
to holdon to a girlfriend you should have broken up with long ago, and expect
the relationship to work
bedlam of course that analogy is probably lost on most doodleboys
EvilE yeah...even the vga part and ascii and shit
bedlam yeah
bedlam i mena
bedlam mean
bedlam vga has its place
bedlam on the web, everybody knows that
EvilE well, ansi is useless I see that....I mean the scene all in itself...
bedlam ascii may even have a little niche somewhere, more than ansi does
EvilE remember all the groups..all that type of shit
EvilE ansi is too tedious to do
bedlam all the groups came out of a large portion of people being interested in ansi art
bedlam since ansi is only useful on BBS systems, as BBSs fade, so does ansi
bedlam scenesters cant make ansi any more popular in the mainstream without making BBSs popular first
bedlam i think too many people say ansi is good as an artform
bedlam but wonder why nobody new comes into it
EvilE true....what about telnet boards
EvilE there are new ppl in the scene ...but it seems they are clueless
bedlam what about them? how many non-scene-related boards exist?
EvilE ansi is dead...there is no use for them anymore I see that
EvilE not many
bedlam BBSs arent kept up for the sake of BBSing, theyre kept up for the sake of justifying ansi art
bedlam i dont know of any telnet boards out there that arent scene related
bedlam the ansi scene thrived when there were BBSs out there that had nothing to do with ansi, but needed art to make them
look cool
bedlam warez boards, pd, whatever
EvilE pd boards were the shit
EvilE
bedlam BBSs were used almost exclusively for conversation and file transfer
bedlam with the internet, those functions are dominated
bedlam why would you telnet to a board to get a file when you can easily get it from an ftp or irc channel?
bedlam why converse on a bbs when you have irc and newsgroups?
bedlam and web pages for both of those too
bedlam the only remaining reason for boards now is for ANSI to have a justified place to be
EvilE yeah...Im not denying that fact....Im just saying the scene as a whole the way it was...with confs...and all that shit...
bedlam yeah, but theres very few cool people in the scene anymore
bedlam there was always a transition
bedlam there were new people and old people
bedlam as the old people lost interest, new people came, and those who were new got better and became oldschool
bedlam generations of artists came and went
bedlam now its mostly people living in nostalgia
bedlam few new people
bedlam and when new people do come, the rest of us just rip on them and call them lame and dont help them at all
EvilE no shit....its always ben like that
bedlam yeah but at least before there were enough dorks out there to become friends with if you sucked
EvilE yeah...there is no room for dorks no more
bedlam and those groups of lamers grew together, eventually to become great
bedlam exactly. theres so few, and any bad group would get killed immidiately
EvilE yeah...remember the bad groups that released like multiple packs and shit
bedlam the point is, even though many of us do vga, were still seeing it as a bbs-related ansi scene
EvilE that is what I want again tho...
bedlam i mean, acid doesnt do ansi, but i dont see them get much world-recognition
bedlam were still stuck with the warez and demo and hacking guys
bedlam all in our own litte scenes
bedlam the art scene has to BLOW UP and get out in the real world
bedlam but as it is, i dont think anyone has the vision, and few have the true talent
bedlam so many of us have our own endeavors
bedlam i mean the scene used to run like this...
bedlam people had baords
bedlam they would request art from those boards
EvilE welp, It just seems like ppl grow up
bedlam artists would do art, and the baords would get it
bedlam replace boards with web pages now
bedlam thats how it should be
bedlam i mean
EvilE well, no it can be for web pages...and what have you
bedlam it wasnt originally art guys requesting art from other artists
bedlam it was warez and hacking guys
EvilE it was warez
bedlam and pd guys
bedlam anyone who ran a board could ask for art from the art scene
bedlam once again, lets modify that to be web pages
EvilE I know...now its just web.....but, more ppl have web pages then ppl had bbss
bedlam anyone who runs a web page should ask for art from the art scene
bedlam FREE art
bedlam yeah
bedlam so WHY is acid and ice and these groups not known to the general public as a good source of good, free art
bedlam just like we used to be
bedlam a we all want to be paid for it
bedlam b nobody knows about us cuz were stuck in our dying scene
bedlam c a + b
bedlam anyone from out of the scene who requests will be met with pay me
bedlam thats what a business is for
bedlam acid and ice are not businesses
EvilE well, if its like that then why not just make ice or acid a business and make something from it
bedlam exactly
EvilE its pointless
bedlam but nobody wants that it seems
bedlam ive brought it up
bedlam everyones got their own businesses
EvilE true
bedlam ive brought it up multiple times and they always say i have a business already, i just do this for fun
EvilE I got one....its easy money for any of us who know how to work it
EvilE Id like to go back to the old way tho
bedlam too bad
bedlam cant go home again
bedlam the BBS era is over
EvilE I loved runnin my board
EvilE that shit was awesome
bedlam without BBSs thriving in every part of the online community, and not just the ansi scene, it will be lame
bedlam boards are hella fun
bedlam but for the scene to thrive off them, they have to NOT just be ansi-related
EvilE I remember rackin fuckin hundred dollar phone bills
bedlam people who have no interest in ansi need ot have boards
bedlam and those people make web pages
bedlam fact of the matter is, unless we become to web pages what we once were
to BBSs, the whole scene will die
bedlam i think ive got a whole article in here for some miscellaneous zine that people in general read.
EvilE well, that is what I am looking towards
EvilE that is why everyone in dvs is vga
bedlam but we gotta ADVERTISE
EvilE I remember when vga groups were worthless to most ppl
bedlam to the general populace
EvilE yeah...defintely
bedlam on yahoo
bedlam pages such as that
EvilE Its not hard to get werd around
bedlam if wed just try.
EvilE I am willing to try and make something work
bedlam and the scene has to be WILLING to do and release such things as logos
bedlam for free
bedlam i mean usually vga logos are boring
EvilE but, I mean 6 ppl that I have isnt gonna do it..I see tha
bedlam but if you were to do a nice little set of logos, with pictures and such
bedlam and release them as a vga
bedlam people used to do like, generic menu sets. why not do that for web pages? find like all the most popular topics a
web page would have, and do up a generic web page vga template
bedlam but in general, i think theres no way to save the scene at all
EvilE yeah....that is logical
bedlam its dying and will soon be gone completely
EvilE you just came up with a way
EvilE you just need to find support
EvilE I know there are ppl that would be interested
bedlam yeah but it takes participation from the WHOLE SCENE to realize what is necessary and to take part
bedlam a scene-wide revolution
bedlam i sure as hell dont have the time to do that.
EvilE if there was enough interest...the people that have no interest would become interested
bedlam
EvilE nor do we akk
EvilE all
bedlam i think this conversation needs to be captured and sent to every major
group leader, to send out to each group
member
bedlam a call to arms
EvilE but, like I said....if a number of ppl are dedicated to saving it from
dying...then it would make others want to help
bedlam a lets get this scene back on track, in the new era of online artwork
bedlam ansi is dead, lets put it to rest.
bedlam i mean
bedlam are we trying to save the scene, or ansi?
EvilE true...the word must be sent out
EvilE scene
bedlam because they are two very different things which require two very different forms of action
bedlam to save ansi is to first revive BBSs internationally.. good luck.
EvilE I have nothing against ansi...if someone continues to do it...fine....but, I just want the scene
bedlam to save the scene is to allow the current trends of the online community dictate what we have to do, and not try to
dictate it to ourselves.
EvilE but we need support from others in order to do this
bedlam i mean, im sure there would be some people who would think an ansi2vga logo done in ansi, converted to vga, and
used on a web page would be a pretty cool stone-age kind of graphic style
bedlam kind of like those people who do the green on black LCD display kind of graphics
bedlam you can do so much more now, but its got an oldschool computer look
to it
bedlam so ansi wouldnt be completely dead, im sure.. it could be a style that people would still enjoy.. but theyd have to be
drawn in ansi and converted to VGA for web use
EvilE oldschool is better then no school
EvilE would you be willing to revive the scene? Or willing to gain interest and spread the word?
bedlam heh, i could probably help manage things a bit.. maybe Radman will make me senior staff of acid or something
bedlam THEN ill get my acid alumni status when i quit the scene
bedlam bedlam: the man who saved the scene
bedlam hehehe
EvilE hahah
EvilE Id seriously want to do something
bedlam ive proven before that i can run a group
bedlam the fact of the matter is, we have to make this a scene-wide revolution
bedlam it cant be one group
bedlam or even a couple groups
bedlam the scene as a whole has to recognize the situation and act accordingly
EvilE yeah....Im thinking of something like a scene wide art type thing
EvilE Dood we should write something steming from this conversation..
bedlam what write? weve already said everything that needs to be said.
The answer is clear. In every way people used to think of BBSs, we now have to put web pages
in their place. it used to seem that everybody and their dog had a BBS, now everybody and their
dog have a web page no exaggeration, unfortunately. The art scene was originally some artist-
types living in a warez/pd/hacking world who decided to come together in a common goal: make BBS
land a prettier place to live. At some point more groups became involved, and the competition
made the original goal thrive and take shape. Somewhere along the line, though, competition
became the only reason to be in the scene. Around that time, the internet became more popular
and BBSs began to die away. We now live in an online society in which the only BBSs out there
are kept up simply to let ansi have a purpose. The situation has changed, my friends, and we
must change with it. But while we change, we must also look at the original goal.. make our
online forum a prettier place to be. Our online forum has changed, but I believe the goal still
holds true. This is just the first step of realization, much more must be done
if our scene
is to thrive again.
Give this to everyone you know that is, was, wants to be, or deserves to be in the art scene.
Discussions in ansi should take shape from this file, logged, and passed around. We have made
a goal clear. We must act. The time for repentance is near! Only those groups who adapt will
survive. Even the almighty ACiD and iCE will be forced to change, as they have
already, or die
with the rest. Amen.
Bedlam ACiD
bedlam@enteract.com
that might be one way of doing keeping the scene alive, yes, but we have 2 goals set here,
beddy... we not only want to keep the scene alive, but we would like to keep ansi/ascii/even
rip, alive... and everyone switching to vga wouldnt be keeping the oldskewl artforms alive...
This is kayozz here, kayozz? who the hell is that.. heh i bet a lot
of you are asking the exact same question, well.. it doesnt really
matter who i am, the question at hand is, where is the scene headed
these days? .. and the answer seems to be eye yam a ereet dewdle
The frame of mind of todays artist have DRASTICALLY changed over
the past couple of years, i myself have only been here about a year
but have noticed a hugh change in how the scene is. its not about
art anymore, its not about releasing a pack, its all about who has
more power then the other guy, and thats the kind of attitude that
is brining the scene down from the inside. What we need to do is
find the root of the scene, which is bbs. Think back to when you first
started drawing? was it to be elite? HELL NO, it was because you
wanted to get leech on some warez bbs, or you wanted to get into your
favorite group, and didnt it make you feel so good when you drew an
ansi or ascii and the next day you call the bbs, and sure enough its
right there? didnt it just make you want to draw all day? i bet it did.
Now things have changed, somewhere along the line people lost
the whole idea on what the scene, ansi, ascii, whatever was. and it
was for FUN.. yeah you heard me, not 10 a 23-liner, not 5 a font,
FUN!@ and thats the way it should be now. no more of this i am too
elite to draw for you attitude, the scene should be about fun about
friends, not about who is more elite. of more people would just shut
the hell up and draw instead of just bitching about how the scene is
dying, we would all be much better off.
Maybe one solution is to start putting up Telnet bbs, it would give the
scene a reason to draw, and a place we could all call home, a place
where the scene could once again thrive, a place where your art would a
actually be USED, how many times have you drawn an ansi or ascii for someone
half way around the world?? youll never know if he used it or not, and
that is another reason why the scene is dying, lack of respect for people,
and groups.
When a newbie joins ansi or ascii they are usually kicked
or banned at least, which in my opinion is the worst thing to do to t
he scene, its like killing every baby that somene has, eventually all
the people are going to die, and with no youth to fill the void, will
surely die. For me, it was HELL trying to get into the scene, first
being banned form ansi, ascii frequently by locals like Discofunk,
Black Jack, Serial Toon and others for no reason other then they didnt
know who i was. And with everyones attitude being who is this lamer
i found myself pondering, why am i here anyways? .. It was really hard
to actually get into the scene, nowadays its all who you know and
not how good you draw, ive seen artist worse then me join good groups
strictly because of who they knew, and people pass up opportunitys to
join a group saying i dont draw and a week later there in remorse or
something.
What i suggest is we go back to the roots of the scene, drawing
for the fun and love of it. enough of this i am more elite then you
BULLSHIT and back to the i like to draw so i will attitude. if more
people would just stop thinking 371373 and start thinking more pos-
itivly the scene might once again thrive like the days of old.
i wrote this file in hopes that it MIGHT actually get
through to some of you people that the scene is not just to be
elite, but to HAVE FUN, and draw then maybe the scene can once
again THRIVE like it once did, back before the idea of eliteness
was put into every young artists head.
my two cents - Kayozz ruckus / extended play
thats the shit im talkin about.. thats whats up!@ SHUTUPDRAW98!@
dewdle all day long...
peace out
teeare
an extension of polymorphs tum comment
here it is people... this is it.. this is all i am going to say... SHUT UP
DRAW! it aint
about who is in the best group or who has more ops... it aint about who runs linux and who
runs 95... it aint about who uses creed and who uses hamster.. its all about
art! its all
about who likes to draw... so what if you arent good.. alot of the best artists out there
sucked when they first started.. take a look at some early trank packs, or the
first acid, ice
cia ace paks.. these people sucked.. they were good for their time, yes.. but time moves on
and so does talent.. experience.. draw.. just draw.. thats it.. here are some texts that i
have found in one place or another and i thought they would be appropriate for this time we are
going through in the scene.. as well as good for this release... see, no one thought purg was
ever going to make it past 3 months.. when we got to a year, our art still wasnt the best, but
we were getting known... not popular, there is a difference.. we were becoming known in the
scene as, ah, purg.. no other way to put it.. we werent like the hardcore group that knew how
to whoop ass.. we were just purg.. 2 years later, here we are.. why? because we draw!
One day, evile and i started chatting about what it would take for the scene to thrive again.
We came upon the conclusion that it would take a scene-wide revolution in the direction of the
future, not wallowing in nostalgia like the majority of you people do. Check it out...
EvilE who are you doing art for these days?
bedlam technically im still an acid member
EvilE I havent talked to you since mOp days
bedlam though 99 of my art is web- or music-related
EvilE dood...you like the way the scene is now compared to the way it was?
bedlam the ansi scene?
EvilE yeah
bedlam well, im not in the scene really anymore so i cant say.. but if i were to venture a guess, id have to say what ansi
scene
EvilE yeah...seriously....It used to be pretty cool...I do nothing at work all day so I go on irc..and these ppl are like brain
dead or something
EvilE weak scene compared to the way it was
bedlam basically
bedlam only reason i hang around is cuz i know people
bedlam if i had other channels where i knew people and could talk about stuff, i woudlnt come in ansi
EvilE yeah...same here...I know the old ppl....dont know most the new names
EvilE hahah true...same here...but, that is the only place I went in the day
EvilE The only reason me and Bay restarted DVS is to maybe get some kinda interest going.
bedlam wont work
bedlam for one simple reason
bedlam not enough new blood
bedlam the scene is on its way out
bedlam so unless a whole lot of like minded people can get some interest going
bedlam in the REAL world, not just in the scene
bedlam its done
EvilE yeah...I wanna restart that...try
bedlam i mean, i dont see ANSI as being interesting to anyone else
bedlam it doesnt even have potential
bedlam only those who still BBS frequently would find it interesting
bedlam and there are so few of those people now
bedlam people gotta realize that you cant hold on to ansi for nostalgia and expect it to thrive any more than you can expect
to holdon to a girlfriend you should have broken up with long ago, and expect
the relationship to work
bedlam of course that analogy is probably lost on most doodleboys
EvilE yeah...even the vga part and ascii and shit
bedlam yeah
bedlam i mena
bedlam mean
bedlam vga has its place
bedlam on the web, everybody knows that
EvilE well, ansi is useless I see that....I mean the scene all in itself...
bedlam ascii may even have a little niche somewhere, more than ansi does
EvilE remember all the groups..all that type of shit
EvilE ansi is too tedious to do
bedlam all the groups came out of a large portion of people being interested in ansi art
bedlam since ansi is only useful on BBS systems, as BBSs fade, so does ansi
bedlam scenesters cant make ansi any more popular in the mainstream without making BBSs popular first
bedlam i think too many people say ansi is good as an artform
bedlam but wonder why nobody new comes into it
EvilE true....what about telnet boards
EvilE there are new ppl in the scene ...but it seems they are clueless
bedlam what about them? how many non-scene-related boards exist?
EvilE ansi is dead...there is no use for them anymore I see that
EvilE not many
bedlam BBSs arent kept up for the sake of BBSing, theyre kept up for the sake of justifying ansi art
bedlam i dont know of any telnet boards out there that arent scene related
bedlam the ansi scene thrived when there were BBSs out there that had nothing to do with ansi, but needed art to make them
look cool
bedlam warez boards, pd, whatever
EvilE pd boards were the shit
EvilE
bedlam BBSs were used almost exclusively for conversation and file transfer
bedlam with the internet, those functions are dominated
bedlam why would you telnet to a board to get a file when you can easily get it from an ftp or irc channel?
bedlam why converse on a bbs when you have irc and newsgroups?
bedlam and web pages for both of those too
bedlam the only remaining reason for boards now is for ANSI to have a justified place to be
EvilE yeah...Im not denying that fact....Im just saying the scene as a whole the way it was...with confs...and all that shit...
bedlam yeah, but theres very few cool people in the scene anymore
bedlam there was always a transition
bedlam there were new people and old people
bedlam as the old people lost interest, new people came, and those who were new got better and became oldschool
bedlam generations of artists came and went
bedlam now its mostly people living in nostalgia
bedlam few new people
bedlam and when new people do come, the rest of us just rip on them and call them lame and dont help them at all
EvilE no shit....its always ben like that
bedlam yeah but at least before there were enough dorks out there to become friends with if you sucked
EvilE yeah...there is no room for dorks no more
bedlam and those groups of lamers grew together, eventually to become great
bedlam exactly. theres so few, and any bad group would get killed immidiately
EvilE yeah...remember the bad groups that released like multiple packs and shit
bedlam the point is, even though many of us do vga, were still seeing it as a bbs-related ansi scene
EvilE that is what I want again tho...
bedlam i mean, acid doesnt do ansi, but i dont see them get much world-recognition
bedlam were still stuck with the warez and demo and hacking guys
bedlam all in our own litte scenes
bedlam the art scene has to BLOW UP and get out in the real world
bedlam but as it is, i dont think anyone has the vision, and few have the true talent
bedlam so many of us have our own endeavors
bedlam i mean the scene used to run like this...
bedlam people had baords
bedlam they would request art from those boards
EvilE welp, It just seems like ppl grow up
bedlam artists would do art, and the baords would get it
bedlam replace boards with web pages now
bedlam thats how it should be
bedlam i mean
EvilE well, no it can be for web pages...and what have you
bedlam it wasnt originally art guys requesting art from other artists
bedlam it was warez and hacking guys
EvilE it was warez
bedlam and pd guys
bedlam anyone who ran a board could ask for art from the art scene
bedlam once again, lets modify that to be web pages
EvilE I know...now its just web.....but, more ppl have web pages then ppl had bbss
bedlam anyone who runs a web page should ask for art from the art scene
bedlam FREE art
bedlam yeah
bedlam so WHY is acid and ice and these groups not known to the general public as a good source of good, free art
bedlam just like we used to be
bedlam a we all want to be paid for it
bedlam b nobody knows about us cuz were stuck in our dying scene
bedlam c a + b
bedlam anyone from out of the scene who requests will be met with pay me
bedlam thats what a business is for
bedlam acid and ice are not businesses
EvilE well, if its like that then why not just make ice or acid a business and make something from it
bedlam exactly
EvilE its pointless
bedlam but nobody wants that it seems
bedlam ive brought it up
bedlam everyones got their own businesses
EvilE true
bedlam ive brought it up multiple times and they always say i have a business already, i just do this for fun
EvilE I got one....its easy money for any of us who know how to work it
EvilE Id like to go back to the old way tho
bedlam too bad
bedlam cant go home again
bedlam the BBS era is over
EvilE I loved runnin my board
EvilE that shit was awesome
bedlam without BBSs thriving in every part of the online community, and not just the ansi scene, it will be lame
bedlam boards are hella fun
bedlam but for the scene to thrive off them, they have to NOT just be ansi-related
EvilE I remember rackin fuckin hundred dollar phone bills
bedlam people who have no interest in ansi need ot have boards
bedlam and those people make web pages
bedlam fact of the matter is, unless we become to web pages what we once were
to BBSs, the whole scene will die
bedlam i think ive got a whole article in here for some miscellaneous zine that people in general read.
EvilE well, that is what I am looking towards
EvilE that is why everyone in dvs is vga
bedlam but we gotta ADVERTISE
EvilE I remember when vga groups were worthless to most ppl
bedlam to the general populace
EvilE yeah...defintely
bedlam on yahoo
bedlam pages such as that
EvilE Its not hard to get werd around
bedlam if wed just try.
EvilE I am willing to try and make something work
bedlam and the scene has to be WILLING to do and release such things as logos
bedlam for free
bedlam i mean usually vga logos are boring
EvilE but, I mean 6 ppl that I have isnt gonna do it..I see tha
bedlam but if you were to do a nice little set of logos, with pictures and such
bedlam and release them as a vga
bedlam people used to do like, generic menu sets. why not do that for web pages? find like all the most popular topics a
web page would have, and do up a generic web page vga template
bedlam but in general, i think theres no way to save the scene at all
EvilE yeah....that is logical
bedlam its dying and will soon be gone completely
EvilE you just came up with a way
EvilE you just need to find support
EvilE I know there are ppl that would be interested
bedlam yeah but it takes participation from the WHOLE SCENE to realize what is necessary and to take part
bedlam a scene-wide revolution
bedlam i sure as hell dont have the time to do that.
EvilE if there was enough interest...the people that have no interest would become interested
bedlam
EvilE nor do we akk
EvilE all
bedlam i think this conversation needs to be captured and sent to every major
group leader, to send out to each group
member
bedlam a call to arms
EvilE but, like I said....if a number of ppl are dedicated to saving it from
dying...then it would make others want to help
bedlam a lets get this scene back on track, in the new era of online artwork
bedlam ansi is dead, lets put it to rest.
bedlam i mean
bedlam are we trying to save the scene, or ansi?
EvilE true...the word must be sent out
EvilE scene
bedlam because they are two very different things which require two very different forms of action
bedlam to save ansi is to first revive BBSs internationally.. good luck.
EvilE I have nothing against ansi...if someone continues to do it...fine....but, I just want the scene
bedlam to save the scene is to allow the current trends of the online community dictate what we have to do, and not try to
dictate it to ourselves.
EvilE but we need support from others in order to do this
bedlam i mean, im sure there would be some people who would think an ansi2vga logo done in ansi, converted to vga, and
used on a web page would be a pretty cool stone-age kind of graphic style
bedlam kind of like those people who do the green on black LCD display kind of graphics
bedlam you can do so much more now, but its got an oldschool computer look
to it
bedlam so ansi wouldnt be completely dead, im sure.. it could be a style that people would still enjoy.. but theyd have to be
drawn in ansi and converted to VGA for web use
EvilE oldschool is better then no school
EvilE would you be willing to revive the scene? Or willing to gain interest and spread the word?
bedlam heh, i could probably help manage things a bit.. maybe Radman will make me senior staff of acid or something
bedlam THEN ill get my acid alumni status when i quit the scene
bedlam bedlam: the man who saved the scene
bedlam hehehe
EvilE hahah
EvilE Id seriously want to do something
bedlam ive proven before that i can run a group
bedlam the fact of the matter is, we have to make this a scene-wide revolution
bedlam it cant be one group
bedlam or even a couple groups
bedlam the scene as a whole has to recognize the situation and act accordingly
EvilE yeah....Im thinking of something like a scene wide art type thing
EvilE Dood we should write something steming from this conversation..
bedlam what write? weve already said everything that needs to be said.
The answer is clear. In every way people used to think of BBSs, we now have to put web pages
in their place. it used to seem that everybody and their dog had a BBS, now everybody and their
dog have a web page no exaggeration, unfortunately. The art scene was originally some artist-
types living in a warez/pd/hacking world who decided to come together in a common goal: make BBS
land a prettier place to live. At some point more groups became involved, and the competition
made the original goal thrive and take shape. Somewhere along the line, though, competition
became the only reason to be in the scene. Around that time, the internet became more popular
and BBSs began to die away. We now live in an online society in which the only BBSs out there
are kept up simply to let ansi have a purpose. The situation has changed, my friends, and we
must change with it. But while we change, we must also look at the original goal.. make our
online forum a prettier place to be. Our online forum has changed, but I believe the goal still
holds true. This is just the first step of realization, much more must be done
if our scene
is to thrive again.
Give this to everyone you know that is, was, wants to be, or deserves to be in the art scene.
Discussions in ansi should take shape from this file, logged, and passed around. We have made
a goal clear. We must act. The time for repentance is near! Only those groups who adapt will
survive. Even the almighty ACiD and iCE will be forced to change, as they have
already, or die
with the rest. Amen.
Bedlam ACiD
bedlam@enteract.com
that might be one way of doing keeping the scene alive, yes, but we have 2 goals set here,
beddy... we not only want to keep the scene alive, but we would like to keep ansi/ascii/even
rip, alive... and everyone switching to vga wouldnt be keeping the oldskewl artforms alive...
This is kayozz here, kayozz? who the hell is that.. heh i bet a lot
of you are asking the exact same question, well.. it doesnt really
matter who i am, the question at hand is, where is the scene headed
these days? .. and the answer seems to be eye yam a ereet dewdle
The frame of mind of todays artist have DRASTICALLY changed over
the past couple of years, i myself have only been here about a year
but have noticed a hugh change in how the scene is. its not about
art anymore, its not about releasing a pack, its all about who has
more power then the other guy, and thats the kind of attitude that
is brining the scene down from the inside. What we need to do is
find the root of the scene, which is bbs. Think back to when you first
started drawing? was it to be elite? HELL NO, it was because you
wanted to get leech on some warez bbs, or you wanted to get into your
favorite group, and didnt it make you feel so good when you drew an
ansi or ascii and the next day you call the bbs, and sure enough its
right there? didnt it just make you want to draw all day? i bet it did.
Now things have changed, somewhere along the line people lost
the whole idea on what the scene, ansi, ascii, whatever was. and it
was for FUN.. yeah you heard me, not 10 a 23-liner, not 5 a font,
FUN!@ and thats the way it should be now. no more of this i am too
elite to draw for you attitude, the scene should be about fun about
friends, not about who is more elite. of more people would just shut
the hell up and draw instead of just bitching about how the scene is
dying, we would all be much better off.
Maybe one solution is to start putting up Telnet bbs, it would give the
scene a reason to draw, and a place we could all call home, a place
where the scene could once again thrive, a place where your art would a
actually be USED, how many times have you drawn an ansi or ascii for someone
half way around the world?? youll never know if he used it or not, and
that is another reason why the scene is dying, lack of respect for people,
and groups.
When a newbie joins ansi or ascii they are usually kicked
or banned at least, which in my opinion is the worst thing to do to t
he scene, its like killing every baby that somene has, eventually all
the people are going to die, and with no youth to fill the void, will
surely die. For me, it was HELL trying to get into the scene, first
being banned form ansi, ascii frequently by locals like Discofunk,
Black Jack, Serial Toon and others for no reason other then they didnt
know who i was. And with everyones attitude being who is this lamer
i found myself pondering, why am i here anyways? .. It was really hard
to actually get into the scene, nowadays its all who you know and
not how good you draw, ive seen artist worse then me join good groups
strictly because of who they knew, and people pass up opportunitys to
join a group saying i dont draw and a week later there in remorse or
something.
What i suggest is we go back to the roots of the scene, drawing
for the fun and love of it. enough of this i am more elite then you
BULLSHIT and back to the i like to draw so i will attitude. if more
people would just stop thinking 371373 and start thinking more pos-
itivly the scene might once again thrive like the days of old.
i wrote this file in hopes that it MIGHT actually get
through to some of you people that the scene is not just to be
elite, but to HAVE FUN, and draw then maybe the scene can once
again THRIVE like it once did, back before the idea of eliteness
was put into every young artists head.
my two cents - Kayozz ruckus / extended play
thats the shit im talkin about.. thats whats up!@ SHUTUPDRAW98!@
dewdle all day long...
peace out
teeare
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