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I've been mostly eating... ringnes+koff =====! interview !============================================================= Session Start: Mon Feb 28 03:20:59 2000 *** TequeTRM has joined #interview ok.. so this is gonna be hard.. :) they want me to do the interivew :) so erm.. who are you seems like a nice question to start with as always... well.. comes with the territory :) well I'm Teque/Trauma from Helsinki, Finland thats cool... so what do you do on this thing we call scene? =) I do music for Trauma and other demogroups that are willing to use my music so you started out with the atari right? well I started my musical experiments on c64 wayyy back... but yeah I was in an atariscene group Armada whic later became Aggression.. but I used Amiga back then =) which damn typos.. where did you went from since agression? after Aggression kinda died in 1993/1994 (I was in the finnish army in 1994-1995) I joined DEE - the music group... My music appeared from Dee 2 till the last Dee disk Dee Pi In 1994 I also did a few tracks for Bloodhouse Ltd's Stardust game so what is up with trauma nowdays? Well.. Sol is about to go to Isreal for a job, which He'll inform all later on. I'm now a full-time sound designer / composer at Remedy Entertainment and I also do composing for MadOnion.com. !Cube is working for RTS Networks as a coder. continuing... Tonic is working for Sonera and Nitro is still in the health-care work, taking care of elderly people in some place. =) The rest are pretty much studying or just being lame... so no plans for near future? Well for now it seems like Trauma isn't going to do new demos in a while after Anterpe-Kiew II is released... Maybe we need to look for a new coder to biuld the demos. antwerp kiew 2.. you have any dates for that yet? =) Not at this time, but I can say Nitro made a nice soundtrack for it.. It has a nice speech sample from me. =) It will be a statement demo as the last one was... humm.. do you plan to get another last place then or this one will have good design? =) With the first Anterpe-Kiew demo we wanted it to get disqualified from the compo. So this one will be even worse. It's a statement against those wanna-be artistic bullshit demos... WE WANT REAL DEMOS, NOT THAT SAME ARTYCRAP EVERYONE SEEMS TO MAKE THESE DAYS!!! define artycrap then :) Artycrap demo is all those demo with blurry stuff all over the screen and music without a clear rhyhthm. In those those demos everything is crap, but it's explained it's art. Just like coma/replay/pulse demos... name some of those artycrap demos then :) ps: wait... I'll check okidokie pluse's demo from asm98, any demo by replay, almost any demo by coma... =) so artycrap is lots of visualize pics or flatshaded with text or videodemo artycrap is wanna-be art it's art without reason it's art without purpose why should there be reason to be called art? we just want demos to have some meaning... not just some shit put toghether with music and I know traumatique is not one of the best examples ;) I mean anyone can put a some shitty text whopping around the screen saying stupid things and but some wireframe vectors with it and call it art... I could fart into my microphone and call it art It would be a one of a kind fart ok, so lets change subject.. how did you first started to track and what are your main influences/inspirations.. =) hehe... As I said I started my first muscial experiments in the '80 on c64 but first real tunes I made on Amiga500 in 87/88 I really don't remember the exact year =) well what were your inspirations and how did they evolve? I guess my first inspirations were JM Jarre, Vangelis and Mike Oldfield. Then came a number of scene composers... The main inspirations from scene composers were from SLL, Jesper Kyd, Strobo, Moby, 4Mat, Romeo Knight and all other old school composers well... how did they evolve? well that's kinda hard to say... well.. try it.. you were there when everyone was doing 4channel, what did you think about the change to multichannel back when it was still new? Well I did some experiments with octalyzer back then and was blown away by captains popcorn cover. I really didn't think much about the future then, I just did music for fun. =) It was a practice period for me. In 1993/1994 I relly saw that four channles was not enough. And in 1995 I began tracking with Scram Trakcer 3 and GUS... gus are nice we like gus I have two gus cards in the studio =) I don't use them... why the hell you needed 2 gus cards? Once of the is on the wall and other is in original!!! Gus Max box =) a gus in a box is not so cool :) but an original box is!!! oki, are you ready for superduper demojournal quiz show contest? sure, I'm ready for everything =) 1. whats the second biggest city in norway? oslo is the biggest... don't know about thw 2nd biggest 2. what is your favorite movie/book? my favourite move is bladerunner and favourite book is the book the movie is based on.. Philip K Dick was a genius I've never read the book tho 3. what is your favorite color? black =) 4. whats your favorite computer game? tetris no question about that =) 5. was scene best on 96 then its now? u mean that it's now? Well It was better then yeah.. if the demoscene was better then it is nowdays according to you... too many quake/unreal players now at partys is that necesarily bad? arent those quakers like... the demosceners of tomorow...? not sceneres but computer users of tomorrow... I remember once incident at asm99 where one quaker player was interviewed about the forhthcoming pc accelerated demo compo.. he was asked if he is looking forward the demo compo, and he answered what demo compo... 'nuff said... well.. what do you think of assembly btw? the organizers are doing their best, but they messed things up big time... in asm '98 I was in the sauna with abyss and talked with him.. they had planned a separate hall for scerners only in asm99 which didn't happen... I just hope next year there'll be a separate hall for scene... that would be nice.. =) ok so what do you do on real life? well in real I'm doing music & sfx for Remedy entertainment does that pay well? =) enough to support me and my spouse so it pays well enough =) back when you did music for stardust, did that pay well? no, I did the 4 mods for Stardus during my army time... I got 500FIM 2 years after that from WizTom/Aggression... did you expect to get any? were you satisfied with the end result? Stardust, I Mean... (I'm the king of typos =) were you involved with super stardust also? nope, nicke did the musci for that I guess the 92-94 change to multichannel was one thing but what do you think of the current trends (it/ft2/buzz).. have we pushed the envelope? well, I've tried buzz and I can say I'm not quite satisfied with it... with the computers today you're still better off with hardware synhesizers when do you think softsynths will come of age? after 2-5 the situation might be different is there less or more experimenting going on lately in music when compared to what was going on in the amigascene at around 90? 100 times more experimenting nowadys =) than years ago samplers were darn expensive... I paid a fortune for my first amiga based sampler "card"... what do you think of the change in intromusic that happened at around 95? can't say... I got out of the army in february 1995 and was abit confused about the scene in general =) in 1996 I was more into the scene stuff... the rest of 1995 went into learning normal life after army =) of all the people you've come across during your scene career, who has pushed the envelope the most? from composers Dune / Brothmom States, from gfx artists Visualize, from coders Stone/D Brothom States I mean DAMN THES TYPOS... brothomStates you mean =) I HATE MYSELF =) I know Dune's brother btw... He was in the finnihs army with me =) yup =) what exactly did stone/d do? Don't know much about his scene history but he is the lead coder in remedy these days =) what did the d stand for? also Tsunami/VD is a very cool guy and Juliet/CNCD and Jake I respect them very much well basically the ghetto broz gang from 1997 =) the simply most talented people I've ever worked with =) It was a group... Oh, and I forget to mention Royal/TET The European Technology... what was your involvement with ghetto broz I made the music for the super jave java demo... (I seem to hit the enter too fast =) http://www.remedy.fi/company/cool_stuff.shtml there's that Super... the java demo =) I made the music for ti it do any of the people that were on the scene back in 86 really follow the scene anymore? well I guess like 1% of them are you the 1%? from 1995 sceners there are only 30% left or so a lot of people have started calling some musicians from the amigascene legends, what's your take on this? it's changing all the time =) well, I guess I was first in the scene in 1990/91 I was never in the amiga scene did you actively follow the amigascene? not so actively... I got some demos from my friend. =) I guess I should thank him now... I got the first soundtracker from him some people namedrop people like ben daglish or matt gray or jeroen tel / the whole vibrants crew as the people who led them to start tracking.. what were your inspirations? rob hubbard etc my first inspirations for tracker music were sll, mantronix, uncle tom, captaiain, and the most important was jesper kyd/silents and also moby & audiomonster & laxity were at some level inspiration for me were you aware that kyd has a page on scene.org? I know.. have you been checking out what necros has put out at alphaconspiracy.com? nope, but I know that he is a damn good composer =) what was your reaction to the whole jay newingham mess? I laughed at the jay thingie It's one of these "only in America" things.. do you visit parties frequently or have you ever? No, I don't visit parties so frequently... I'll attend Assembly parties at least.. All others are extra.. you nitro & cube have been putting out a lot of musicdisks on the dee label, did you ever get feedback for any of it? what about the reaction to the interface? I've only got some positive feeback from the dee disks my tunes appeared I've never liked the interface tho... All the same to me what the people think about the interface, it's quite obsolete now as it's not windows combatible =) force sol to make a win32 one no, he's leveaing for Isreal soon =) what do you think of the whole win32 movement? ModPlug player is good enough windows player =) win32demos and diskmags that is I haven't really checked the recent diskmags oh well... you didnt miss much :) but for win32 demos, I think it's a huge improvement no more fiddling arounf obsolete dos stuff I know windwos has a lot of bugs in it, but so has every software oh well... we are out of questions it seems :) you have an homepage and email for the fans? =) http://www.saunalahti.fi/~nl04185/ that's my humble homepage =) I will just say Bill Gates sure knows how to do the marketing We should all learn about that hehe, okidokie... well thank you for your time and stuff :) no prob... hope you get sumthin out of it =) and well I was drunk all the time =) as if it was some excuse... hahahahaa we notice well I'm impressed that someone actually wanted interview me =) so thank you! =) *** TequeTRM was kicked by ps_ (you silly finn) Session Close: Mon Feb 28 05:30:22 2000 =====! demo !================================================================== sabena safety on board demo You can check this at any sabena flight (on the newer planes, the old ones still have the stewardesses waving around back and forth... It starts with a big sound check like on movie theaters with some planes flying over planet earth and ending on a sabena logo. Then come the nifty 3d animations.. unrealistic 3d humans and stewardesses moving around on this double sized plane as the one we are on... Then come the typical no mobile phones, no discmans, no laptops can be used on board... they were too lazy to put some 3d x's around it so its just moving 3d objects (which the discmans and tennis shoes at dialogos99 were alot more realistic) and a very bad 2d red cross over it. You get an animation where some supposedly oxygen masks fall on top of a semi humanoid girl.. then the evacuaion procedures... and we are ready to take off flight.. we hope you have a pleasant flight. ps yearning by kooma oh dear. hvis du er norsk og du liker † se p† nrk's trim for eldre er det † se denne demoen ikke † anbefale for deg. hvis du, p† den annen side, hedrer dine foreldre p† riktig m†te og er glad i alt som lever, nyter i ”l og foretrekker † sove framfor † lytte p† sputnik, er denne demoen i etn knakende godt p†skudd til † fortsette † leve. this is not a warning. it's the deepest and most personalized up-to-date coma-demo presented in this millenium yet. leukamies::kooma + tpolm =====! intro !================================================================= lassi nikko intros here is a little tribute to mr.dune/orange. for all the love robots and the orange family massive 96 intro world domination. here is to you lassi, we love you. ps+dst+mw =====! music !================================================================= wekilldaenemy by brothomstates+crankshaft (dune+yolque) codename: chinadoll soundtrack http://katastro.fi Another awesome finn idm experimental track. Very good co-op for a great revolving tune. Really hard to say anything objective about this track 'cause it's simply just so great to listen. Just try to find out who did what part. ps+dst+mw ?------------------------------------------------------------------- -- - - !====:] commercial break! [:=================================================== :---------------------------------------------------------------- -- - - =====! homepages !============================================================= Groups: 3g Design..............................http://3gdesign.cjb.net Aardbei.....................................http://aardbei.com Acid Rain..............................http://surf.to/acidrain Anakata..............................http://www.anakata.art.pl ANDESA Soft International..................http://andesa.da.ru Astral..............................http://astral.scene-hu.com Astroidea........................http://astroidea.scene-hu.com AtomiK....................................http://atomik.ini.hu Bomb..................................http://bomb.planet-d.net BlaBla..............................http://blabla.planet-d.net Blasphemy..............................http://www.blasphemy.dk Byterapers.....................http://www.byterapers.scene.org 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Immortals..............................http://imrt.home.ml.org Infuse...................................http://www.infuse.org Just For Fun...........................http://jff.planet-d.net Kilobite...............................http://kilobite.cjb.net Kolor................................http://www.kaoz.org/kolor Kooma.....................................http://www.kooma.com Label zero.........................http://labelzero.pganet.com Mandula.........................http://www.inf.bme.hu/~mandula Monar................ftp://amber.bti.pl/pub/scene/distro/monar Next Empire.................http://members.xoom.com/NEXTEMPIRE Ninja Gefilus.........http://www.angelfire.com/or/ninjagefilus Noice.....................................http://www.noice.org Orion..............................http://orion.arfstudios.org Quad........................................http://www.quad.nl Rage........................................http://www.rage.nu Replay.......................http://www.shine.scene.org/replay Retro A.C...........................http://www.retroac.cjb.net Rhyme................................http://rhyme.scene-hu.com Skytech team............................http://www.skytech.org Sunflower.......................http://sunflower.opengl.org.pl Suspend......................http://www.optimus.wroc.pl/rappid Tehdas...................................http://come.to/tehdas Tesko..........................http://www.scentral.demon.co.uk The Black Lotus.............................http://www.tbl.org The Digital Artists Wired Nation.http://digitalartists.cjb.net The Lost Souls...............................http://www.tls.no TPOLM.....................................http://www.tpolm.com Trauma.................................http://sauna.net/trauma T-Rex.....................................http://www.t-rex.org Unik.....................................http://www.unik.ca.tc Universe..........................http://universe.planet-d.net Vantage..................................http://www.vantage.ch Music: Aisth.....................................http://www.aisth.com Aural planet........................http://www.auralplanet.com Blacktron Music Production...........http://www.d-zign.com/bmp Chill..........................http://www.bentdesign.com/chill Chippendales......................http://www.sunpoint.net/~cnd Chiptune...............................http://www.chiptune.com Da Jormas................................http://www.jormas.com Five Musicians.........................http://www.fm.scene.org Fridge...........................http://www.ssmedion.de/fridge Goodstuff..........................http://artloop.de/goodstuff Ignorance.............................http://www.ignorance.org Intense...........................http://intense.ignorance.org Jecoute.................................http://jecoute.cjb.net Kosmic Free Music Foundation.............http://www.kosmic.org Level-d.................................http://www.level-d.com Miasmah.............................http://www.miasmah.cjb.net Milk.......................................http://milk.sgic.fi Mah Music.............................http://come.to/mah.music Maniacs of noise...............http://home.worldonline.nl/~mon MAZ's Sound homepage.............http://www.th-zwickau.de/~maz Mo'playaz..........................http://ssmedion.de/moplayaz Mono211.................................http://www.mono211.com Morbid Minds..............http://www.raveordie.com/morbidminds Noise................................http://www.noisemusic.org One Touch Records......................http://otr.planet-d.net Park..................................http://park.planet-d.net Radical Rhythms.....http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/merrelli/rr RBi Music.............................htpp://www.rbi-music.com Ruff Engine................http://members.xoom.com/ruff_engine SHR8M......................................http://1st.to/shr8m Sound Devotion................http://sugarbomb.x2o.net/soundev Soundstate.........................http://listen.to/soundstate Sunlikamelo-D...........http://www.error-404.com/sunlikamelo-d Suspect Records........................http://www.tande.com/sr Tequila........................http://www.defacto2.net/tequila Tempo................................http://tempomusic.cjb.net Theralite...........................http://theralite.avalon.hr Tokyo Dawn Records........................http://tdr.scene.org UltraBeat.........................http://www.innerverse.com/ub Vibrants................................http://www.vibrants.dk Wiremaniacs.........................http://www.wiremaniacs.com People: 3d addict...................http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc5877 Anders Akerheden...............http://hem.passagen.se/andersak Ari..............................http://www.primenet.com/~arie Attack..............................http://attack.planet-d.net Balrog.........................http://www.mds.mdh.se/~mek98adl Carlos..............................http://www.nexus.hu/carlos !Cube......................http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~tlonnber Cyclone..................................http://zap.to/cyclone Dave.............................http://www.come.to/davecorner DaVinci.................................http://davinci.ice.org Echo................................http://www.kki.net.pl/echo Exocet..........................http://jff.planet-d.net/exocet Flan.............................http://www.error-404.com/flan Gardner................................http://www.gardner.z.pl Grabule........................http://members.xoom.com/grabule Hunz............................http://www.globec.com.au/~hunz HP........................................http://hp.pardey.org Immortal Rat................................http://ir.scene.hu Inferno............................http://inferno.planet-d.net Jean Nine....................................http://j9.cjb.net Jimsendu............................http://home.sol.no/ojakobs Jupiter....................http://members.xoom.com/JupiterCode Lazur....................................http://lazur.punkt.pl Leviathan....................http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ajcarlso Los........................http://www.angelfire.com/in/miku305 Mephisto.............................http://www.chez.com/shiva Mystical................................http://www.mystical.dk Nekrite.....................................http://move.to/ap0 Nico....................................http://geecs.org/~nico Nino...................http://www.saunalahti.fi/~kuusnie/tapsa Nitro...................ftp://ftp.scene.hu/Artists/music/Nitro Nogsf..............................http://www.saers.com/~nogsf Pow.................................http://home.sol.no/~tskara P-rat...................................http://www.subphase.de Rents................................http://newdigital.tsx.org Rez.................................http://reeeeez.citeweb.net Rod.................................http://www.inf.bme.hu/~rod Scorpik............................http://scorpik.planet-d.net Shodan...............................http://shodan.skytech.org Skal..................................http://skal.planet-d.net Skaven..........................http://isis.yok.utu.fi/~skaven Smash.............................http://jecoute.cjb.net/smash Sol..................................http://www.icon.fi/~solar Spell.........................http://www.ThePentagon.com/Spell Splif..............................http://splif.aegis-corp.org Szoke......................................http://szoke.ini.hu TheREW..............................http://home.wxs.nl/~therew Traven..............................http://traven.planet-d.net TS................................http://www2.hawaii.edu/~myee Tuo.....................................http://tuo.skytech.org Unlock...........................http://www.profzone.ch/unlock Velikani.............................http://ltk.hut.fi/~akiuru Vivid..................................http://vivid.kosmic.org Wain.............http://zevs.ifi.ntnu.no/~frankwer/gfx/gfx.htm Warder...............................http://www.dlc.fi/~warder Willbe...................................http://willbe.cjb.net Xcene...................................http://xcene.flipp.net Yannis...........................http://www.zip.com.au/~yannis Zden....................................http://message.sk/zden Others: Arf!Studios..........................http://www.arfstudios.org Calodox demolinks exchange.....http://calodox.planet-d.net/cde #coders..................................http://coderz.cjb.net Comic Pirates.........................http://scene-central.com Demo fanclub........................http://jerware.org/fanclub Demoscene.org news forum..............http://www.demoscene.org Digital Undergrounds.....................http://dug.iscool.net Doose charts...............................http://www.doose.dk Dreams2 CD.........................http://nl.scene.org/dreams2 Freax...................http://freax.scene-hu.com/mainmenu.htm GfxZone............................http://gfxzone.planet-d.net Hugi size-compo...............http://home.pages.de/~hugi-compo Orange Juice.........................http://ojuice.citeweb.net PC-demos explained.....http://www.oldskool.org/demos/explained Pixel...................................http://pixel.scene.org Scenet....................................http://www.scenet.de Sunray..............................http://sunray.planet-d.net Swiss List.................http://www.profzone.ch/vantage/list Swiss Scene Server.......................http://www.chscene.ch TakeOver................................http://www.takeover.nl Textmode Demo Archive.................http://tmda.planet-d.net Hungarian scene page...................http://www.scene-hu.com Trebel...................................http://www.trebel.org Zen of Tracking.........................http://surf.to/the-imm Diskmags: Amber...............................http://amber.bti.pl/di_mag Amnesia...............http://amnesia-dist.future.easyspace.com Demojournal....................http://demojournal.planet-d.net Dragon......................http://www.wasp.w3.pl/pages/dragon Fleur................................http://fleur.scene-hu.com Heroin...................................http://www.heroin.net Hugi........................http://home.pages.de/~hugidownload Pain..................................http://pain.planet-d.net Scenial...........................http://www.scenial.scene.org Static Line......................http://www.ic.l7.net/statline Total 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